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vox1 · Contributor IV Joined: 14 Nov 2004 Posts: 126

Here's what V123 managed to do for me today. Get me a direct lead from a
fellow proposing an immediate job - Top 3 Market-based producer... OK, whatdd'ya got? "well, it's a few words for a website promoting an up and coming Band...." OK, I ask, web-only? " - "Hmm...well, it may be used for
broadcast...." he suggests...

OK, so the guy needs to check on that and calls back to advise that this would only be used for a couple of national cable networks..."umm...MTV2 and VH-something.."

When I try to estimate something akin to what Scale would be for a single cycle, I'm told that his media buyer had some notion, based on some V123 informational page about "average rates to expect to pay" (huh ?) which suggested national spots should be something in the realm of a few hundred bucks...

Ooookay then!

Before politely dismissing the lad, I was very tempted to ask just what pray tell they were anticipating the buy to cost for the broadcast schedule but I didn't bother pursuing it further.

In any event, I can only hope - albeit, sadly, unlikely, that no other talents they've subsequently approached - was/is foolish enough to offer to perform the job for the "proposed" rate.

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asnively · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:51 am Post subject:

The rate lists on both of the pay-to-play sites are one of the reasons why I am no longer a subscriber.
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Philip Banks · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:30 am Post subject:

Anyone wishing to build their career should have nothing to do with such sites.

I understand the need for a pay cheque today but ultimately it will do no good.

Bill Campbell · DC Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 621

Why would a "Top 3 market based producer" be using Voice123 to find talent?

While I have gotten a couple of repeat clients from voices.com, it's just not worth the trouble auditioning and haggling, IMHO.

Using the pay to play sites takes "your eye off the ball".
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SeptemberDay · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:22 am Post subject:

Philip Banks · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:07 am Post subject:

Most people who do well out of Voice Over work have no frustrations with V123, truth is that at best they have no opinion at all and at worst they merely say what I have said.

If a particular site provides enough work for a VO on a daily basis then that's all that matters. We're Pieceworkers, the more we do the more we get paid.

Lee Gordon · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject:

Diane Havens · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:31 am Post subject:

Rob Ellis · M&M Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit

For ME the pay to play sites offer at a minimum some good practice copy--when time allows.

I've made some small $$$ with them, but nothing compared to what my own marketing efforts bring in.

The key for me is strictly limiting the time I put into them.

I'm glad to hear that some are making lots of dough with them. For me, realistically, I'm not sure that will ever be the case.

Not knocking the PTPs, just saying that I get a lot more bang for the buck from direct marketing efforts that result in auditions where I'm competing with half a dozen other voices, and not a hundred.

Yoda117 · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Another V123 disappointment

audio'connell · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject:

You know this thread got me thinking about an idea that's passed the open spaces between my ears for about a month now.

As I am not a paid subscriber to the P2P sites - I merely have a free page which may or not anymore help my search rankings.

And that's the thing.

* Because my brand's SEO is fairly strong regardless of the P2P's

*because of the negative impact and conotations these P2P sites are having on the industry (pretty much devaluing the rates of voice talents to a level of pencils being sold on a street corner)

...I ask: is my brand (and yours) actually HARMED by even a free association with these sites?

Am I offering an unintentional but implicit endorsement of a business model I do not agree with by even being remotely associated with them?

I'm still thinking about this...don't know if anyone else is.

Your thoughts?
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Deirdre · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject:

You might check to see how many of your most fave voice pals have a site there.

Or can you?

I don't know. I don't have a free listing anymore.

I'm still on Opuzz only because there's a fee to delete your profile.
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SeptemberDay · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject:

Can I ask how you other full-timers make your money? As in what percentage of your paid work comes from where?
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Philip Banks · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:03 pm Post subject:

51 session last month resulted in a 5 figure fee income, 49 sessions from existing clients or agent, 2 from new clients, 1 of those new clients was working freelance for an existing client and heard my voice and got in touch, the other came from my website. Not sure how helpful that is for you.

audio'connell · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:17 pm Post subject:

Yes but to be truthful Philip also has his knitting business on the side to supplement his woeful VO business

Me...its my marketing, networking, referrals, agents and I crochet hats with naughty phrases on them.
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