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Frank F Fat, Old, and Sassy
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 4421 Location: Park City, Utah
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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When m srening to the RAd audio it was still nasty 'listening on headphones due to location). The comparing it to the original audio I heard the same scraping on sibilsnt sounds.
Like me, things ...Get old. You can "baby" a mic all you want but it can and will change as it ages.
Get someone to speak into your Mic - other than you. And listeyou will hear what I hear.
So. The answer is yes.
Frank F _________________ Be thankful for the bad things in life. They opened your eyes to the good things you weren't paying attention to before. email: thevoice@usa.com |
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ricevoice Cinquecento
Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 532 Location: Sacramento, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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416s can go bad, it happens. I sent one of mine back to Sennheiser for repair a few years back (it was intermittently sounding a bit distorted), I think it was something minor, cost around $50 and came back good as new! _________________ Chris Rice - Noisemaker
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Rob Ellis M&M
Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Unless I get right up on it, I don't find my 416 to be overly sibilant or crispy at all. In fact to my ear it's one of the least hyped mics that I have owned.
Still, my gear-itis addled brain would love to try the Senny 8040 at some point |
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Quicksilver Been Here Awhile
Joined: 29 Oct 2012 Posts: 217
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Just an update, Sennheiser charges $549.95 to give 416's a checkup.
If they don't need to do any repairs it's free. |
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Rick Riley Flight Attendant
Joined: 12 Aug 2011 Posts: 807 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Quicksilver wrote: | Just an update, Sennheiser charges $549.95 to give 416's a checkup.
If they don't need to do any repairs it's free. |
Send it to me, I'll give it a checkup for free. I have two. One I use daily and a new one I have in case I have to get one repaired. Both of mine sound identical. I can certainly compare yours with mine if you wish, and see if there is anything strange going on with yours. Would also send you the audio to compare for yourself.
If you wish to hear any work done with my 416, here is as sample. https://vimeo.com/46261287 _________________ Never do anything you wouldn't want to explain to the Paramedics
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Quicksilver Been Here Awhile
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Rick, what an offer, you are truly a gentleman and a scholar. If there's anything I can ever do in return just say the word.
And great read too, I see why you are their guy. Inspiring work.
Given this is my full time gig, I have to secure a mic to work with in the mean time. Will probably just buy something different to try out and keep as another arrow in the quiver. Outside of radio mics the I've had a 416 since day one in VO so it's probably time to try something else out.
Once I get something new to fill the gap in house here, I'll PM you.
Thanks again.
That said, if any VO-BBers have mics they are looking to sell, I'm in the market! |
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Lance Blair M&M
Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 2279 Location: Atlanta
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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That does not sound like a healthy 416 into a Grace to me.
Good luck fixing/replacing it. It's not your voice! I'm hearing other weird things besides the sibilance. _________________ Skype: globalvoiceover
and now, http://lanceblairvo.com the blog is there now too! |
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Dayo Cinquecento
Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 544 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:42 am Post subject: |
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Quicksilver wrote: | Rick, what an offer, you are truly a gentleman and a scholar. If there's anything I can ever do in return just say the word.
And great read too, I see why you are their guy. Inspiring work.
Given this is my full time gig, I have to secure a mic to work with in the mean time. Will probably just buy something different to try out and keep as another arrow in the quiver. Outside of radio mics the I've had a 416 since day one in VO so it's probably time to try something else out.
Once I get something new to fill the gap in house here, I'll PM you.
Thanks again.
That said, if any VO-BBers have mics they are looking to sell, I'm in the market! |
I had a listen to both audio files this morning. Obviously, there are some issues. What's sort of converters are you using? _________________ Colin Day - UK Voiceover
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Quicksilver Been Here Awhile
Joined: 29 Oct 2012 Posts: 217
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Glad to hear it's not me!! Thanks guys
A Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 for conversion
I swapped out the Grace and the attached audio is running thorough my Symetrix 528e with EVERYTHING bypassed. 416->528e->1/4 inch line in on Scarlett.
Tip of mike is aligned with my left eyebrow, pointing down at my chest. Foam that comes with the 416 is on.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0RHu39MGd0JMkd6RHczWjZyakk/view?usp=sharing
Still hearing issues? |
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vkuehn DC
Joined: 24 Apr 2013 Posts: 688 Location: Vernon now calls Wisconsin home
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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This latest clip seems to have less sibilants than than the earlier example you posted. But I hear two things in this clip that cause bells-and-whistles to go off in my head. Listen very closely at 6.54 seconds and at 17.9 seconds.
Maybe that is a renegade sibilant blowout or something, but the teckie hiding in my brain asks: Did the clock in your DAW do a stutter-step or something? |
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Dayo Cinquecento
Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 544 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:10 am Post subject: |
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Quicksilver wrote: | Glad to hear it's not me!! Thanks guys
A Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 for conversion
I swapped out the Grace and the attached audio is running thorough my Symetrix 528e with EVERYTHING bypassed. 416->528e->1/4 inch line in on Scarlett.
Tip of mike is aligned with my left eyebrow, pointing down at my chest. Foam that comes with the 416 is on.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0RHu39MGd0JMkd6RHczWjZyakk/view?usp=sharing
Still hearing issues? |
Sounds a little less sibilant, but they still fly a bit.
What sort of levels do you track at? I think what we're hearing is distortion on some of the esses; they're not loud but clean. _________________ Colin Day - UK Voiceover
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Quicksilver Been Here Awhile
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:40 am Post subject: |
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That sample was peaking around -12 to -6.
I know it's debatable but that's considered reasonable practice yeah? |
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vkuehn DC
Joined: 24 Apr 2013 Posts: 688 Location: Vernon now calls Wisconsin home
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:48 am Post subject: |
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The set-up you described is rather simple so there are not that many places where trouble can happen. Dayo asked about levels, and the way he asked the question I think you gave the appropriate answer: The levels that show up on your computer screen.
Think your way through going back "upstream" looking for places. In a more complex set-up, in the sound-reinforcement world the teckies talk a lot about GAIN-STAGING. In these big complex venues a mic can overload the input of the preamp, or a preamp set too hot can overlaod the mixing buss going into the main mixer amp, etc.
But you don't have that many got'cha places that can happen. You already took something out to put the 528 in. Have you tried your mic directly into the Scarlett? Not that you would ever want to work that way, but somewhere you have a problem that may hiding in plain site, taunting you all the way. Have you tried switching to another input on the Scarlett?
I know, Childish level questions, but somewhere there is weak spot being overlooked and unidentified. |
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Dayo Cinquecento
Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 544 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Quicksilver wrote: | That sample was peaking around -12 to -6.
I know it's debatable but that's considered reasonable practice yeah? |
-6dbfs is well into the risky zone.
Why not try another recording and adjust your pre so that your peaks hit -12 and your average might be around -18. You can always normalise after you record and if you record in 24 bit the noise floor is not an issue. You never know..... _________________ Colin Day - UK Voiceover
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