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asnively
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Update on my project withdrawal! Reply with quote

For those who are following along at home, when last left our heroine, she had sent this email to her difficult client.

This was the email I received in return:
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Amy, I am sorry but after i loose more than 4 days, and we you and me agree to do this, we need to finish the work, I explain I need a little more help after you accept to work w ME , and you agree very happy to help me, I will call you tommorow to find something on the middle, I CANT lose more time on this, you all ready have plenty of time to think about it, and was you asking me to find the way to do it, and we agree, sure we can talk, don't close the options on this way, because you know the condition and agree to work, on this way. and also, i like to continue working w you on my other protects. help me to fine a middle option and we finish this Monday.


Which leaves me to ask you, my boardie buddies, what the heck do I do now? How would you reply to this?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Amy,

At arms length as we are to this little saga...I would still have to say "no deal" UNLESS there is some hugely over-riding circumstance that you haven't shared so far that would cause you to reconsider.

Your explanations as to why you can't afford (finanacially and metally) to contunue to work with the gentlemen are quite valid... Nothing has changed other than this guy realized he is in a bind...

Nutherwords...he walks like a duck, looks like and duck and quacks like a duck. He will still be a duck when/if you speak with him again.

You have quite suffciently, and kindly, explained your reasons to discontinue the project. Nothing more than a polite "thanks but no thanks" is required from this point on.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO....

You already gave them your reply. There is no need for you to do any more at this point. You have already spent a lot of your time on this project and time is money. YOU lost 4 days too! No need to make that 5.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Friend,

I am afraid this wonderful project needs a greater scope of work than I am capable of providing. I must respectfully request that you accept my resignation from this project.
I will not be accepting phone or internet voice calls of any kind about this subject.

Very Truly Yours,
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a tough call.

OPTION A:

If you think you can deal with it, perhaps lay down a bit of an ultimatum. "Here are the only conditions in which I can continue working with you:
1. I will not correct copy...blah, blah, blah
2. blah, blah, blah
3. Payment must be...blah, blah, blah

...as soon as those conditions change, I will stop working on the project."

and whatever else will make it worth your while.

Whenever I hear that excuse of we have to finish this because, I often ask myself what they would do if I were to drop dead.

OPTION B (may be easier):

Hire a (mean) friend to answer the phone as your "agent" when he calls, and that person can play the bad guy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Know a good lawyer?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amy,

Ya know - nowhere do I see in any of your posts that an actual monetary transaction has taken place. That's a good thing. Once money has changed hands, it becomes way more difficult to back out, but still can be done.

I can tell you how I'd handle it. You were crystal clear in telling him not to call you any more and that you were declining to continue with this project and why. Apparently, he truly does not understand English. Despite losing money that you never received and already earned, you were professional enough to advise him of your intentions. Whether he could be responsible for additional work or many referrals, if you acquiesce now it could come back to bite you in the backside.

Okay - now to answer your question: I wouldn't even acknowledge his plea to continue, nor would I answer his phone calls. However, keep in mind that's how I would handle it. YMMV

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off, I sure love you guys! Thank you so much for your support. I am so grateful for this community.

I had dinner plans with my hubby, so I wrote the note below-WHICH I DID NOT SEND-- posted to you guys, then went off to dinner. My intent: Not to make a move without board consensus. I'm thinking DB's note might be the strongest play at this point...
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No, I'm sorry. I am unable to continue to work on your project the way you want me to. Talking to you on the phone is too hard. I can't understand your English and your phone connection is very bad.

BUT, if you get someone to finish the script for you, and you can get a completely finished script to me, I am happy to record it for you on Monday for the originally agreed-upon price. It has to be a finished script. And you should tell me how many seconds you want each part of the script to be, like this:

Animation 1 Part 1:
50-:53 seconds

Animation 1 Part 2:
:45 - :48 seconds

And it must absolutely not require any more phone conversations at all. No more phone. It is way too hard for me and makes it hard for me to complete all my other work.

If this is acceptable to you, please let me know. Otherwise, it might be a good idea for you to find a bilingual talent to help you.

Sincerely,
Amy

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turns out that he called twice while I was at dinner. But he didn't leave a message. So I sent the email below (with much thanks to my writing partner, Dcool:

Dear Friend,

I am afraid this wonderful project needs a greater scope of work than I am capable of providing. When I said I would help you smooth out the script, I had no idea of how backwards this project was.

And I could never have predicted the amount of phone time you personally require. The way you want to work is very different than I have ever experienced in all my years of being a professional in this field. I must respectfully request that you accept my resignation from this project. I believe strongly that you will be too difficult to satisfy, and that completing this project under the current circumstances is just impossible.

BUT, if you get someone to finish the script for you, and you can get a completely finished script to me, I am happy to record it for you on Monday for $500 US paid via PayPal upon delivery of the audio files to you. It has to be a finished script. And you should tell me how many seconds you want each part of the script to be, like this:

Animation 1 Part 1:
50-:53 seconds

Animation 1 Part 2:
:45 - :48 seconds

And it must absolutely not require any more phone conversations at all. No more phone. Only email. It is way too much work for me to try to understand you, it is too stressful for me, and makes it hard for me to complete all my other work.

If this is acceptable to you, please let me know. Otherwise, it might be a good idea for you to find a bilingual talent to help you.

I will not be accepting phone calls of any kind about this subject.

Very Truly Yours,
Amy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone want to see the response?

Yeah?

Ok...

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i asking you to record the original audios, but making english modifications, and you continue makis this contract never exist, and we have a contract, and you will finish it, so please dont make me contact [the agency] i have nothing yo loose, you?

so please help me a little, forget the spanis mail and we go back to the original idea, and please remember was you and your good intention to learn more and try to help me and NOW was you telling me I am a complete incompetente and I am a machine of loosing your time, please, dont let me on this way after 5 days.


Oh dear. Shocked He is a machine of loosing my time?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh my! Smile
Good luck with that one. Isn't it amazing how you can resign and still have the job?!

There's got to be a quote for top of the board in there somewhere...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am reminded of the quote by Lyndon Banes Johnson: "If nominated I will not run. And, if elected I will not serve."
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What agency?

What contract?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deirdre wrote:

What contract?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I said something like: "Sure! I'd be happy to record your script. It will be .30 a word, $150 minimum." He said "OK."
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