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		| Mike Nasty Brit
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:23 am    Post subject: When scripts turn evil. |   |  
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				| We all bitch about poor scripts, but the next time you get the urge just be thankful that you didn't get this little gem in your email ready for a gig tomorrow. 
 .....This technology changes diagnostics as easy checking device mechanism from device to maintenance people. However, superimpose communication as like as HART has limited performance for communication performance, because it is still 4-20mA signal not full digital communication.  In 2000s, full digital communication is realized, as Foundation Fieldbus provide process automation for usage of full performance for control and diagnostics as well. In digital era, diagnostics performance increase to provide more useful, not only device itself, but also process interface as like as impulse line plugging detection, online valve sticer.........
 
 
 And so on...and on.
 
 Luckily this is not my gig. But I wish I were in the studio tomorrow to see it.
 
 Maiku.
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		| SoundsGreat-Elaine Singer King's Row
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:34 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Oh dear, that would be funny if it weren't so sad.  :lol: _________________
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		| Drew King's Row
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:22 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Sounds like one I'm working on today for a chemical company.  They send; I record; they re-write; I record again; and so it goes. _________________
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		| ConnieTerwilliger Triple G
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:31 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Is it not part of our responsibility - particularly when it is obvious that something has been poorly translated - to suggest that since the product is for an English speaking audience, perhaps it will be better received with a bit of script doctoring? 
 If that script arrived in my inbox, I would not think twice about suggesting that it could be improved. But I have a background as a scriptwriter, so perhaps this is easier for me to do than for others.
 
 There are times when I bite my lip and simply read it the way it was "writ", but this needs some TLC in order to make it comprehensible.
 
 [Script doctoring services "r" us. Reasonable rates.
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		| Drew King's Row
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:38 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| As you know, Connie, much depends on the client.  Some see my 20 years in the news biz as a blessing and lean on me to pull their fat from the fire when it comes to writing for the ear.  Others have made it clear that my suggestions, though appreciated, are not required.  Still, I'm usually the first to say, "Excuse me, but maybe it would sound better if we..." 
 The client, for whom I'm doing drops and pick-ups today, asks that I not offer suggestions, just me pipes.   Okeedokey.   I just want get this one out of the hard drive and invoiced.  We've been "playing" with this for nearly three weeks.
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		| Deirdre Czarina Emeritus
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I'm just finishing up a project that involves Plasma-enhanced metalurgical processes. 
 I was called in as script writer-- to take  the "science" and make it "understandable". It was not easy , but I was dealing with Americans on the science side.
 How they love their jargon.
 
 With translations, it needs a lot of hammer-and anvil to make the English sound right sometimes.
 
 bash, bash, bash.
 
 
 fixed a bloody typo
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		| SoundsGreat-Elaine Singer King's Row
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Well, nothing is more difficult than translating from 'English' into English, I always say. And I've done a lot of that in my time. I think it's easier to translate from the original language.That way you have a better idea of what they are trying to convey. _________________
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		| Frank F Fat, Old, and Sassy
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:02 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I have created a lot of VO for Medical and Military projects; take the above script, add bunches of l-o-n-g words, and tons of acrynoms and you have a typcial script from a 1st LT fresh out of "film" school (six weeks to teach everything from how to use the camera, lighting, scriptwriting, audio, editing, post production, and more...). 
 Then they wonder why I would like to see the script a couple of days in advance of the session???!!!???
 
 I just make simple suggestions like: "Would you read this for me  so I can hear how it is intended to sound"? Once or twice of that comment and they usually get the idea the script is poorly written.
 
 Then again, I am just a low paid VO guy.... put a script in front of me  and I'll read it.
 
 I just love doing scripts that have mis-spelled words also... isn't that fun?
 
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		| Don G. King's Row
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Hey, I charge by the hour for long format scripts. If it takes me longer to read (and edit) because I have to re-write it first, it just means a bigger invoice. Thankfully the client usually apologizes for the way it's written beforehand, so they aren't too surprised when they get the bill.  |  | 
	
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		| billelder Guest
 
 
 
 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:17 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Great posts and subject. Shout out to Mike! I truly appreciate my clients that deliver great scripts. There are so many levels of expertise. Grammar seems to be top of the list of headaches for me. I usually just read their line and then the correct way following and let them pick which one. |  | 
	
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		| Bruce Boardmeister
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:57 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I get quite a bit of interesting grammar in the Middle Eastern work I get, but  the agent for those jobs says they are very proud of their English and don't want a word changed. It's a bit of a challenge giving a confident read to bass ackward sentences, but the customer is always right, no matter how wrong they may be. 
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		| SheSpeaksCopy Guest
 
 
 
 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:56 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| You guys are preaching to the choir here!  As long as clients send scripts that need to be rewritten, I'll never lack for copywriting jobs! 
 About the English to English to translation...
 
 I recently rewrote site content for a Chinese owned company based in Texas.  They asked that I revamp the copy so it sounded like English.  I sent them back a draft and they returned it with "Sorry, we no need English.  Write copy American please."
 
 Noooo problem!   I can write American.
 
 Maybe I should add that to my list of skills... :wink:
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		| brianforrester Backstage Pass
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:39 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Yeah, I can imagine that darn Shakespearean English... it'll getcha every time in Texas!  :wink: _________________
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		| PJHawke Contributore Level V
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:04 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | brianforrester wrote: |  	  | Yeah, I can imagine that darn Shakespearean English... it'll getcha every time in Texas!  :wink: | 
 
 "Is it thah weeyull thahn image should kape open
 Mah heavy ah-leeyids to th' wear' naht?
 Dust thao desahr mah slumber should be browken
 Whahl shadaows lahk t' thay do mahk mah saht?..."
 
 Hmm...wonder what my grade would have been if I'd have taken that interpretation?
 
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		| Deirdre Czarina Emeritus
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:38 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Whenever I read Shakespearean sonnets, I hear a voice right out of Dallas in MY mind, don't you? _________________
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