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anthonyVO
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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: Re: elaborate please.... |
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| Craig wrote: | Share with me please.
What's different about it? |
Technically it's the same, Craig - a track put to video that may not be there in final.
However, in the trailer world, "scratching" is the equivalent of auditioning. As a matter of fact, it's closer to a callback or, to compare to the on-camera world, "going to producers." Therefore, in contrast to DB's description, it is and had better be a "knock-myself-out kind of read" and an "all-stops-out version."
That may not have been the case back in the days (a.k.a. Frank's era), but it is the case NOW. Why? Because no longer does a movie studio hire just one trailer house to handle the campaign; Several trailer houses compete for the campaign and even THEN the studios award the campaign to more than one house. Your scratch (and again, it had better be read as if it's going to final) is actually used in a trailer that is presented either to the house's creatives or the studio itself.
Arguing that you had better get paid for a scratch is the same as arguing that you had better get paid to audition (there are exceptions - read on). And if you think your commercial auditions aren't being used by ad agencies or producers for demos and presentations to their clients then you're not clued-in to what's really going on out there.
Nevertheless, there ARE situations where you DO get paid for scratching. It might be your second or third one on a campaign, your name commands it, or your agent has already established this after the house has been using you for several scratches on different campaigns.
That's why I said that these discussions are like the Blind Men and the Elephant - because while some people speak from their point of view as if its gospel, those same people have never even SEEN an elephant - or at least the last time they saw one it was called a Mastodon.
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Deirdre
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I'm certainly not talking about movie trailers.
My experience is more "pony" than "elephant".
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Dan-O
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| You don't get gems of info like that anywhere else, people. Especially without having to climb the ladder yourself to get it. |
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anthonyVO
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| Deirdre wrote: | Yeah, I'm certainly not talking about movie trailers.
My experience is more "pony" than "elephant".
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ROFLMAO - I was more zebra before elephant.
Oh - btw - want Jeffrey to make sure my comments are not directed at HIM... only the confusion itself - that's all.
gotta run - my daughter's getting pox shot(s) today and shots are as stressful for me as they are for her.  |
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bobsouer
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Anthony,
My prayers go out for your daughter and for you. Shots are no fun.
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Jeffrey Kafer
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| anthonyVO wrote: | | Oh - btw - want Jeffrey to make sure my comments are not directed at HIM... only the confusion itself - that's all. |
They should have been, since I was clearly speaking about something of which I had no knowledge. I appreciate you taking the time to educate.
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Frank F
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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I believe this may apply to this thread. I found out a l-o-o-o-n-g time ago, "You are a professional 300 miles from home".
I just finished a movie trailer for an agency out of NYC this morning (interesting how things sometimes work out) where the "scratch track" had been completed in New York. The track which I read to was "O.K.", there was no style or, if I may be so bold, "quality" - to the read. The presentation was just words on a script to the Voice Over person.
I asked the producer, based upon this thread, "Who did the scratch track and if the guy had been paid well"?
The answer could have been taken from a text book regarding this thread and my opinions - though antiquated as Anthony commented; the producer replied, "A local semi-pro who we feel is good but needs some work, and yes he was paid for his work". (I asked him if I could quote him after his comment and he said, Yes).
What may seem the norm in one area, is not necessarily normal or accepted for the rest of the country.
On a personal note: I find it offensive to comprehend why someone would say this or that is an industry standard, when there are no standards per se, in our industry. If someone says, "this is how we do it in Chicago, or New York, or elsewhere I am fine with the concept. Or, if someone states, "In Lincoln, Nebraska we do it differently.., ", I can relate to the comment but to define a standard based only upon local knowledge is tantamount to attempting to push an elephant into an elevator.
Many years ago I was taught it was a good thing to get paid for your work, I do not believe that adage has changed in the years since I was a younger "whipper-snapper" in our business. Giving away your efforts for FREE will lead to others asking you to do more FREE work.
From the "curmudgeon" who is still "OLD, FAT, and SASSY - er". And, still a viable VO in our industry, I think?!
Toodles
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Ed Gambill
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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I am bewildered, yes I admit it.
The deal here as I understand it is, I or someone else voices a Scratch Track that will be used to sell as movie to investors or such. Then when the time comes for the real deal I/we might get a shot at a paying gig. But on the other hand I/we might get bumped for some other hotshot (like Frank  ). I don't see any where that it says if they get the green light that I/we get paid a fee for our services to help sell the deal. Is that right?
If that is the case this concept sucks pond water. With out the help of the Semi the show might not get investors. So how does it benefit any Semi (not already attached to the show) to help garner the dough and not get some crumbs?
PS I’ve been down this road before while doing location sound. “Help us get it done and when it gets picked up you are on board”. This has never worked and was a waste of time and assets. I had a little over 15K invested in my sound package and it was not a full package. I’m not into free lunches any more.
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anthonyVO
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Frank F wrote: | | On a personal note: I find it offensive to comprehend why someone would say this or that is an industry standard, when there are no standards per se, in our industry. |
But yet you endorse SaVoa which in itself is attempting to establish a "standard" and promote "education and public awareness to achieve those standards."
That's as far as I'll go with replying to you - and that applies to your PM as well, which is just as lengthy, redundant, and irrelevant.
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Frank F
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For lack of a better come back you opt to use irrelevant issues. You state it yourself Anthony, and since you are the schill for Mr. Genus who would or could not defend himself, I will only give you credit for this aphorism.
| Quote: | | Quote: "...which in itself is attempting to establish a "standard" and promote "education and public awareness to achieve those standards." |
You state and this is the juxt of my position, that SaVOa is attempting to create a standard, yet to make this assumption, you must be aware there is NO standard at present.
You are WAY off base my friend, your argument shows your intellectual prowess at deciphering the relevant from the mundane. The term "attempt" means to: "to make an effort at; try; undertake; seek"
The focus of this post is to determine the definition of a semi-pro. Someone who works for FREE I consider a semi-pro. Which are you?
Toodles
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Jeffrey Kafer
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JTVG
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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If scratching is the only way to get to the ears of movie producers and even have a chance at breaking in, I'll gladly do it. Heck, even being in the position to scratch for major trailers is a tremendous privilage.
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kgenus
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Frank F wrote: | | For lack of a better come back you opt to use irrelevant issues. You state it yourself Anthony, and since you are the schill for Mr. Genus who would or could not defend himself, I will only give you credit for this aphorism. |
There's nothing to defend, it is what it is.
Please refrain from sending PM's in the future.
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Deirdre
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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All right kids. This trainwreck is closed now.
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