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Lizden
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Tools and Talent Reply with quote

Hey!

If you own any of the Digital Juice libraries, you probably get their magazine.

There was a GREAT quote in this issue's "Juice Insider" (p7) about having the tools vs. having the talent to use them.

Viv T. Beason, Jr. talked about how Desktop publishing went through a phase of everybody claiming to be a Graphic Designer 'cause they all had the tools...same thing with video producers...and dare I say VO.

But there seems to be a shift going on.
Sure it's a lot easier to afford the tools that we use for our trade, but not everyone has the talent or tenacity to keep at it.

The quote is:
"Once the equipment reached the point where almost any consumer could own the gear, things changed yet again. We started to see better work. Why? Because at some point it became not about whether or not you have the means to produce, but whether or not you possess the talent and desire to produce and create."

EDIT:
Here's the link to the online version of the whole article!

Just thought I'd share!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liz,

Thank you. That's excellent.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha! Just received the magazine in today's mail and set it aside to peruse a little later. Thanks for the preview. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This runs quite counter to what Bettye Z has to say. She's had some lengthy rants in another location about how voice talents shouldn't be doing production work....something to the effect that it's too hard for them and they should never try to learn unless they get special training.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The article IS geared toweard production people, but I was looking at it from the angle of all the wannabe-VO-people that may spend some money on a mic & a computer and expect to be making sacks of $$ in a day!

Quality will prevail in the end....wheat, chaff & all that Jazz! Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing, Liz.

Reminded me of all the ugly handbills, flyers and print ads that surfaced during the initial years that computers first allowed everyone to typeset. Now, when we want something printed to look really good, we go to someone who knows what they're doing.

Let's hope we're seeing a similar phenomenon in the VO marketplace! (See Jeff's recent post " ... Don't Hire Your Family ...")
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's "another location"?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This runs quite counter to what Bettye Z has to say. She's had some lengthy rants in another location about how voice talents shouldn't be doing production work....something to the effect that it's too hard for them and they should never try to learn unless they get special training.


bettye just doesn't want the competition from those who are good...and doesn't want to have to clean up the messes made by those who aren't.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who works as a sound mixer/field audio engineer in video and film I strongly disagree with this article.

The people I know who broke into the industry in 1968, 1978, 1988, 1998, or 2008 all have an equal amount of artistic passion. It's insulting to suggest that those from a certain era weren't authentic because of the economics of accumulating capital at that time.

I would also argue that if you accept his argument, today there are 20 wannabees with a $5,000 camera whereas in the past there was one wannabee with a $100,000 camera. What is the qualitative difference?

Over the past ten years, I've seen the industry become more pro-am and have much more of a "carny" atmosphere.

In many cases, the proliferation of available technologies means that many "artists" don't know the full capabilities of their equipment. I haven't been a fan of working with people that don't know their camera menus down cold, which is often the case. At the post house I worked at in Boston we all had to memorize the manuals of all our gear. By the time I left not enough people knew how anything worked thoroughly and people would call me after I left to go freelance to troubleshoot their gear.

Lance...how does this mixer work?

Lance...how do I set the black levels in the camera?

Lance...how do I get into the edit screen in the teleprompter?

Seriously...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lance ... how do I get into voiceover and make gobs of money tomorrow ? !

Hmmm ... carny atmosphere indeed.

I think with experience comes excellence (one would hope). When I was fired from one radio station, I was stunned that the gal who knew not how to thread a reel-to-reel deck was still on staff. Yipes.

I've always thought that, because I have vast and varied experience with voicing, editing, and broadcast, I have an advantage and a broader understanding. And, I think talent goes a long, long way. Sure, anyone can do voiceover, I suppose, but can just anyone do it well?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My credentials are; Studio Engineer TV, Broadcast Engineer Radio, Location Sound Mixer Film and Video, Editor Film and Video, Adjunct Instructor Sound for Film and Video, Political Media Consultant, owned and operated a cable advertising company and Carpenter. Aldus Page Maker, I think its still here some where.

I was hired by a film school to do a two day workshop on location sound recording. I had already produced a video on sound for video and film which several universities had bought. It was my first effort in the face to face arena of teaching.

I put together a good (I thought so) lesson plan, a plan where they would get a grounding in the essentials of location sound.

By the way, in my life I have owned Ariflex with Zeiss Glass, Auracon, Mamiya RB67, Cannon F1, Nagara, Sony R-DAT…. the list goes on and a few Plumb, Stanley and Craftsman hammers.

At the end of this two day session I learned all the students really wanted to know was how to set up the time code on the Fostex recorders. They figured if you get the code right the rest would fall into place.

A pin hole camera in the hands of the right person can yield masterpiece results. It’s not the tool, it how good you can use the tool.

No one ever ask a carpenter what kind of hammer they use, they ask “how good is the carpenter.”

So now I have a small form factor HD camcorder here with Zeiss Glass, on the desk and a yearning to tell an important story. I’ll still need the hammers to build the set.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diane, on the other hand, experience comes from excellence. You're not going to get hired for the second gig if you're head isn't screwed on straight.

I have been impressed by a few talents I know that achieved a thriving career after only a few years because they sussed "it" out, and knew how to deliver "it" to their clients dependably and professionally. The spread of affordable production technologies have been great for naturally talented people like that...so in that regard the article in question is right.

Ed, If all they wanted to know was how to set the time code they could have googled the manual and downloaded it - sounds like that could have saved everyone a lot of time! I've cut off contractors for not having the proper tools for the task, and I've been in many situations where freelancers do or do not get hired for their gear. I worked with a crew that did not get rehired by MTV because they didn't have wireless audio feeds to send to all the cameras. Nobody was discussing how you can get masterful results with a pinhole camera that day. People who are thorough ask about the hammer as well as the carpenter. I always do. One of my favorite cameramen to work with also has gear that stinks and it's always holding him (and the rest of the crew) back. People would say he's "great" but that's not the whole story.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lance

You da man! BTW that little gig with time code predated Google. Smile

So are you saying Tools over Talent. I always belived that talent was the engine that drives the tool. Have I had it wrong all these years?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talent drives the tool, definitely. That's why I don't like the article, it implies that everything is hunky dory in ProductionWorld(tm) because of the availability of sophisticated gear.

However, while a hammer really is usually just a hammer, a camera isn't always just a camera. You've got to be choosy for the application and for the technical quality required. People that think they'll be fine with any ol' piece of gear are selling themselves, and the ability to prove their talent, short.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lance Blair wrote:
Talent drives the tool, definitely. That's why I don't like the article, it implies that everything is hunky dory in ProductionWorld(tm) because of the availability of sophisticated gear.


Oh..see... I don't read the article like that at all.....in fact I read it the opposite way.

I read it that tools might be there for all to aquire, but only those that know how to use them creatively and that have the talent to deliver will thrive....like what YOU said....

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