VO-BB - 20 YEARS OLD!

Deirdre · Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:40 pm Post subject:

"When you are dead, you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others. It is the same when you are stupid."
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Lee Gordon · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:46 am Post subject:

Dead, stupid, or a jerk. In one of his books, Steve Allen created the "National Jerk Test" for the purpose of self-identification. As he wrote, "A murderer, after all, is perfectly aware that he kills people. An arsonist has no doubts about the fact that he sets fire to things. The rapist well knows what his problem is. But when a jerk looks into a shaving mirror in the morning, apparently it never occurs to him that the face looking back is that of a jerk.

What is required, obviously, is some sort of test."
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Foog · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:56 am Post subject:

Monk · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:16 am Post subject:

I was following this conversation on LinkedIn, and the logic convinced me that the "T" in often is silent, just as it is in soften, listen, whistle.

Off-en, is correct.

Just as Smokey Bear is correct, and Smokey the Bear, is wrong.
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Bish · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:42 am Post subject:

Ahhh... those troublesome tees. There is no absolutely correct answer for "often". There are regional and national differences... it all depends on who is speaking, who is listening... but primarily, who is paying.

I think the point is that even the most basic investigation (e.g. Howjsay.com) reveals that there are valid alternatives. To ignore, eschew or otherwise reject such sources and publicly go for "the wisdom of the crowd" is an exercise in futility. Was any context given? That would have validated the question a little.

It's not as clear-cut as the egregious omission of the middle t in such words as "water" (war-der) which is like nails on a blackboard to my sensitive ears.
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Foog · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:48 am Post subject:

Monk, ya had me right up until "Smokey Bear". If "Smokey THE Bear" is wrong, I don't wanna be right!
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Lee Gordon · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:33 pm Post subject:

Frank F · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:06 pm Post subject:

When subjects like this come to fruition in the studio, I say it properly (off-en), then if the client/customer corrects me I will suggest we look the word up in the dictionary.

Said dictionary shows this: "[aw-fuh n, of-uh n; awf-tuh n]" and further the audio is heard saying "aw-fuh n". It must be further noted that "off-ten" is accepted as a colloquial pronunciation, and is not the correct version, but simply accepted in current "speak"

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Lynn Benson · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:56 pm Post subject:

I got nutn ta ad ta dat.
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Foog · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:16 pm Post subject:

Often I'd ask a group of ten online friends of tender natures how to pronounce "often". I would pick the best of entirely differing answers, turn the computer off an' cough in my hand, look off in to space, and think deerp thoughts of interest.
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Mike Harrison · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:13 pm Post subject:

What Frank said. And, thank you, Lee.

Putting aside for a moment words having varying regional pronunciations, or whether a paying client is involved, launching my computer's dictionary (the New Oxford American Dictionary), typing "often" and reading the pronunciation required all of FOUR SECONDS.

Consulting the global masses makes perfect sense to ask, for example, if any Hawaiians could help with words/phrases like "Haouli Makahiki Hou" (happy new year), but asking publicly (again, this person is a writer) – and waiting for responses – about a reaaaalllllllly common word is like putting up a billboard: "Not Resourceful."

Wink

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Gregory Best · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:59 am Post subject:

Mike, I wonder if it is a generational thing. My wife is teaching a class on forensic science at a community college. Only one out of 40 knew about Sherlock Holmes. Few read. I still have and use a hard copy dictionary. Few people read anymore, get news from social media, and live life on the web. It is sad.
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Don G. · King's Row Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Posts: 1071 Location: MA

This conversation reminds me of one of my mother's old sayings. It pertains more to words like 'pneumonia', of course. She would say:

"The 'p' is silent, as in swimming."

chrisvoco · Club 300 Joined: 14 Mar 2014 Posts: 380 Location: Local

Eh, most people cannot even pronounce my last name. Screw 'em all.
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Frank F · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:31 pm Post subject:

That is why I will just call Chris. I always get my last name with an "s" as in
"Fxxxxxxxx's of Hollywood" I think I will just say the "s" is silent.

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