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Is ISDN on the way out? (Old thread March 06)
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kgenus
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been sitting this one out, I've replied six times and clicked the back button instead of submitting. There are alternatives and new developments taking place daily. I admittedly purchased Source-Connect last week at a client's request and it paid for itself in the first session. ISDN/SC, whatever the case, it saves me a trip to NYC....

In the end, they're all tools.....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick note for Travis, et al...

Your wishes and more will be granted with what is soon coming. (And, all in release ONE)

(Well, almost all of your wishes, I can't do anything about making you look better. Maybe put a picture of Banksey in front of the webcam???? - - maybe not...)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeff McNeal wrote:
Brian. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT invest in an ISDN codec unless you have a client that requires you to use it on a regular basis which in turn, will make it worth your while to have one. Then you can use it for other gigs.


Yes, I've been told that enough times that it sunk in. Besides, if it ever does come up as an "emergency" situation I do have access to ISDN for free, after hours at the radio stations. But it hasn't come up in two years so...

I have a sneaky suspicion that by the time I actually need the capabilities of ISDN, it won't be the standard. Something like Ispeek will.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All,

have a look at www.source-elements.com. I just purchased Source Live. And I think Kevin G. is trying the Source Connect product. Incredible sound quality! Both are ProTools plugins and work great. A colleague of ours who I don't think is a member of this board uses Source Connect regularly via a bridge if necessary which talks to any "old-fashioned" ISDN setup. If you are intered in a test, PM me and we'll set it up. All you'll need on your end is Quicktime. Kevin and I ran a test about a week ago or so and he was quite impressed.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

schaer wrote:
Both are ProTools plugins


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject: TO ISDN OR NOT... Reply with quote

I hope there will be a period of transition between the technologies. ISDN is too expensive for me to even consider at this point in my career. Frank, I hope you bear that in mind with the pricing of your new product. One good thing, most the the "clients" of V-123 probbly wouldn't spend any money for anything new.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

O.K., So I have been inundated with requests for a target date for iSpeek.
The Answer is: (gratuitious drum roll please...) End of May 2006.

It may be earlier, it may be a bit later, but that is the target.

Greg, et al: I think you will find pricing for iSpeek within your parameters. I agree, most of the V123 folks will shy away from it as it will cost more than, ... free. But the Pro will be able to afford it. It will cost less than the fee most charge for one commercial session.

ISDN will stay around for some time... maybe a couple of more years... but the new technologies are already taking their toll on the Grand Ol' Lady, and at 37, She is ready for retirement.

It will take a bit of time for the "new kid on the block" (IP Telecommunication) to make it's mark, but the only way for new technology to be accepted - is for a few curious/brave souls to give it a try... I hope you all will - give iSpeek (or any other product) a fair shake...

Buy two, they are small... and inexpensive... and good... and, we'll make more...

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philip Banks wrote:
I'm not anti VOIP or any other technology and do realise that things change. How does a voice over artists pay his bills each month that is the critical issue and that was the reason for my ISDN/VOIP comparison.


Let me mention something on this. VOIP is notoriously insecure and the latency keeps it from being a viable product (IMO/IME at this time... check back with me in about 18 months; there are some promising things on the horizion).

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I don't know if this particular voice talent is a member here, but he's got his own vociferous ISDN views here:

http://www.toddschick.com/AboutInternetFAQISDN.htm

The main reason Todd Schick and people like him don't get the ISDN work is because people know he has to organise a studio and that's enough to get them to call someone who has their own facilities.


After reading Mr. Schick's rant on VOICE 2008 and paging through his Website, I'm of the opinion that a lack of ISDN (which he's rectified with the purchase of AudioTX) would not be what first keeps me from using him as a talent.

/particularly liked the whole "state of the art" studio bit... That kind of attitude seems to permeate his site.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A timely resurrection of this post, since I am about to take the ISDN plunge...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

February 2007 I signed a new 5 year contract with my ISDN service provider. I do one session per month VOIP and the amount of retakes due to drop out are beyond a beyondy thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, that propagation delay is a real PITA, isn't it?

I was chatting with Melissa and stated that ISDN is on it's way out.

It is, don't doubt that for a second.

That said, it serves a valuable purpose within the recording industry, for that reason alone, until something that actually works better comes along, we're going to have ISDN.

In three to five years? Who knows. Within 10? I'd be mighty surprised.

Does that make it an investment worth making? If you're losing out on jobs by not having it, then I'd say that it's worth it. I think it was Philip here who said that "you'll know that you need ISDN when you know that you need it."

True words to remember when it comes to this stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, music CD's and movie DVD's will be dead one of these days as we go all memory based, but they'll be around for a while longer. Heck you can still buy VHS machines and all the hippest groups are putting out LP versions of their albums.

Admittedly the phone companies will have a say in how long they support ISDN lines, but there are enough big players who are still using it that my guess is that it's not going away anytime real soon.

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