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Audiogal
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:29 pm    Post subject: American Regional Dialects Reply with quote

Here's an article about some "homegrown" research into American regional dialects: http://snipurl.com/nsn8
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL! When I visit my friends in the UK, people gather 'round to hear me speak southern. <g> I also have a good friend from Gloucestershire who was here in October and did a very convincing southern accent too!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great article. Trying to spell out what people say is darned tough.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya know, if more people knew, understood and read phonetics and diacritics, scripts could be broken down into these markings and could easily be negotiated by the voice artist?

I studied these in broadcast school back when "Hector was a pup" and subsequently went on to teach them. I realize this isn't part of the pre-requisite curricula for producers and talent and, IMHO, it should be. It would make life a lot easier for all of us who do this for a living. It would also increase efficiency all around.

If you've ever heard the words, "schwa", "circumflex", or "oomlaut", then you already have an idea. Diacritics enable the correct pronunciation of a syllable which cannot be spelled out phonetically.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic

If the agencies and the producers with whom I work had this ability, I'd never again have a problem with pronunciations. Sadly, this isn't the case. But, we muttle through, dont we? Sticking out Tongue

Or, do we just thrive on challenge?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ya know, if more people knew, understood and read phonetics and diacritics, scripts could be broken down into these markings and could easily be negotiated by the voice artist?


I agree; I took phonetics in college & still use them today to mark up scripts.

When I was a copywriter, I would have loved to have had all my voice talent be able to speak the same "shorthand" language.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mary,

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I agree; I took phonetics in college & still use them today to mark up scripts.


Hey - maybe we should start an online phonetics and diacritics course for producers and talent? Laugh

I still have all my teaching literature on the subjects!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doc & Mary-

Glad to know I'm not the only one who uses diacritics, etc. to mark scripts!

Like most people in this country, I wasted...er....SPENT several years and LOTS of money on a college degree for a profession in which I do not work. Had I known that all I needed was a brief "Intro. to the IPA", I might not have spent all that time and money studying "Communication Science and Disorders" (read: Speech Pathology/Therapy).

If script writers could/would at least write the client's name, technical jargon, and any regional/dialectical oddities using the IPA or some simily system, it certainly would cut down on re-takes and potentially embarrasing questions!! (Like most VOs--I imagine--I charge for re-takes due to script changes and technical problems, but not for mispronounciations or other voice issues.)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a fascinating article - thank-you for posting that Mary. I finally got a little clue about why some of the people around here sound like they're from the Midwest:

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I was passing through the Western New England accent zone — where people's accents sound like a milder version of the Inland North


Well, it doesn't actually give an explanation, it just says that they do - but I've always wondered if I was crazy to think so.

And it was fun to read about Pittsburgh, where I spent some of my graduate school years. There is a remarkable tendency in Pittsburgh for people to stay put, so the dialect thrives. Probably way back when, the mountains and the three rivers served as a strong barrier to dispersal. Now - I dunno - maybe they just like it there.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat Fraley uses a simplified diacritical marking system in his classes after showing you the insane International Phonetic Alphabet and the somewhat less cumbersome Herman System.

It would be nice to have a nationally-recognized protocol for pronunciation, but I wonder how well it would work? Smile
I mean, MITCH-nuhz HAHD-weyuh in r'-VEEYUH is they way the Client (Michener's Hardware in Revere) says it.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duh. I just read the article Mary linked to (AFTER I responded to the thread, of course).

I grew up in Northwestern PA (near Lake Erie), lived briefly in Nashville (where I couldn't understand a soul!), and--like the OTHER Mary--came to Pittsburgh for school. Unlike Mary, however, I stuck around afterword, and have been here for about 10 years. In fact, my office is on the "SahthSide", just blocks from the Tom's Diner mentioned in the article.

I tell you all this, because it reinforces the importance of REGULAR PRACTICE. Having spent my formative years in the accent-free (not that such a thing actually exists) NORTH Pennsylvania, I developed a clear pattern of enunciation which can be easily understood by anyone in the country.

Now that I've been in Pittsburgh for so long--working and socializing with the yinzers (i.e. "Yinz goin dahn tahn?"), I've caught (NOT "caht") myself occassionally slipping this into a script delivery. As sad as it is, the major reason I practice is to maintain my NON-Pittsburgh accent!

Does anyone else have this problem? Dierdre, I imagine it's hard for you to "code shift" sometimes where you are!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was surprised to see that St Louis is mentioned as having such a distinctive regional dialect, but after a bit of webbing, it seems that linguests have long had an interest in this place. Listining to the samples on the IDEA site was an ear-opener for me when I compared the clips to other areas..."whoa...I do kinda sound like that don't I?"... I lose most of it when doing a read, but conversationally, 'seems I'm right out of the textbook.

One of the things my coach nails me on is this flattening/assimilation nasality that affects several vowel sounds (especially "a" variants)...seems it's a big thing in Missouri in general. She's not from here so she spots it instantly, I've never noticed it much.

I thought I found the holy grail when I learned the IPA in my speech class last fall, but no one else uses it and now I'm forgetting the symbols.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deirdre,

Kind of like sign language, huh? Because I have a granddaughter who is deaf, I found out that there are actually 2 completely different sign language disciplines. Very confusing.

Fortunately, only one is considered universal. However, people with severe hearing loss or complete deafness are encouraged to learn both.

The system I learned and taught for phonetics and diacritics actually was far easier. We were able to turn out a practicum for students in 8 hours of instruction time. And, I still remember it to this day.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm originally from Maryland. We don't say Mary-land back there. It's more like Marilyn as is Marilyn Monroe. Some of the locals may even pronounce it as Merlin. I don't need an interpreter when I got back to visit... but my wife (native Californian) still can't understand why I call a woman's purse a pocketbook.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We called Maryland "Meralin" in South Philly where I grew up. We called purses "pocketbooks", as well. Spent more time in Pittsburgh than I care to remember, too.

Wound up in Ohio saying, "Hey, yinz guys, gotta glass a wooder, an nat? And later I may need to warsh my hands. So don't go away wit da wooder. "
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always thought the Pennsylvania license plate ought to say "Yinz Got a Friend in Pennsylvania"
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