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Ten ways to fail in the Voice Over business
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Philip Banks
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:03 am    Post subject: Ten ways to fail in the Voice Over business Reply with quote

1 – Confuse popularity with effective marketing.
2 – Work for nothing just for experience or credits.
3 – Over coaching leads to under performance.
4 – Let your ego choose your jobs.
5 – Put your art ahead of your business.
6 – Forecast earnings based on high volume – low fees.
7 – Over estimate your ability.
8 – Give bad payers multiple chances to “make it up to you”
9 – Only take the advice you like.
10 – Make wildly exaggerated claims on you web site.
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Mike Harrison
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philip's list is very accurate. I believe I know personally or know of people who are - sadly - guilty of one or more of these bad decisions.

Maybe semiannual reality checks are in order.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

11. Miss deadlines or show up late for sessions.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

12. over promise & under deliver
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

13. Criticize the copy in 'the room.'
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

14. Spend working hours perusing social media, when you should be out beating bushes and making actual contact with face to face conversations with people who have money.

with that... see you this evening!

Go get'em gang!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great stuff, Phillip!

I'll add:
15. Thinking that YOU are the target audience.
16. Sitting back waiting for the phone to ring rather than doing any marketing.
17. Taking rejection personally.
18. Spending as little money as possible on your demo, marketing, studio gear.
19. Spending as much money as possible on your demo, marketing and gear - and thinking that will work magic for you.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

20. Spending precious time bending over backwards/jumping through hoops to impress low-paying, over demanding prospective clients in an attempt to convince them to award you, their low-paying, dead-end VO gig. -- In short, not aiming high enough!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like that #9. I think I'll go with it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha ...I see what you did there Lee.

Great gentle reminders Mr. Banks.

I'm always amazed and intrigued by the people who don't understand that this is a business.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lee wins!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

21. opting for the 3-martini lunch




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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

22 - Underestimating your ability.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"8 – Give bad payers multiple chances to “make it up to you”

A client who is also a freelance video editor gave me this gem.

After the initial 'what would you charge for this' conversation and you tell them what your rate it is usually followed by 'oh man, can you cut me a break on this one, and I will get you that rate on the next gig?'

Your reply should be...
How bout you get me my rate on this one and I will cut you a break on the next one.

I tried it and it worked! Haven't had the next one yet, but I was stoked that I didn't have to take the cut to land the gig.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice Zak!
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