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markt
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject: Pre's again... Reply with quote

I'm considering an upgrade from my DBX 286a. Any thoughts between the Symetrix 528e vs the Focusrite Platinum Voicemaster Pro?
My mic is a SP C1.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly does "upgrade" mean? What are you looking for that your current rig is not doing? My thought is you may want to try your mic on either choice and hear what it sounds like to your ear. No?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I should have used the word 'change' instead of 'upgrade.'
The DBX is a great pre. I think that these other two may have more options in the EQ'ing dept, i.e. the mid-ranges?

And, these being older pieces, outside of buying both on ebay to test-drive them, I don't know where I'd go for a try out.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a good experience for me with the Voicemaster Pro...2 weeks and it was useless with distortion. Then round and round to get a replacement. I finally got a new one in about 6 weeks and sold it! Never a problem with the Symetrix I once used.
That said, I don't think it's going to be much of a step up from the DBX.
Good luck!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Save your money and buy something - anything - other than a VMPro. The unit runs hot and the switches eventually fail. It's a well documented problem and mine did it too. Plus, there are lots of better sounding pre's out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Thanks for the warning guys. Anyone have any experiences with the symetrix Unit that I mentioned? I think DB used the 528e with a C1.
But I'll listen to any advice that all of you have to offer. If the Symetrix isn't going to be much better than my DBX, I'll take the words of the more experienced.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compared to what you have...both options are not really an improvement. The Symetrix is a workhorse for sure. I owned a Focusrite....the switch issue is well documented.

If your price point is in the $500 range look into the Grace 101..if you only need a good preamp...or the Presonus Eureka if you need a channel strip.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take it from a guy who used to own a $5000 channelstrip... NOTHING beats a good mic/pre combination, and NOTHING will make your producer more happy.
My old channelstrip, a Tube-Tech MEC1A had fourteen knobs to master. My current pre (a Danfield MX10) has... two.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Jacob on this one...I'm a two knob guy too... with a Gordon preamp.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Symetrix 528e tied to a SM7B and it rocks for what I do...in fact I have two.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can afford it, I think the 528e is worth its used E-bay price (that's how I got both of mine), just to have the nice downward expansion section, which is great to have for taming room noise, and then pair it with a nicer stand alone pre.

I actually used to have a 286a that I paired with an SM7, and it sounded good. The SM7 with the 528 does sound better, but like others have said, not better enough where it would be a tremendous upgrade. (I do like the EQ section on the 528, although it's a little frustrating trying to dial it in.

I now have separate pre's (GAP 73, Grace, and ISA One, which one day I think I'll streamline to just a Great River Smile) that I run into the 528 simply for the downward expansion (and for a little EQ at times.) This is my favorite way to use the 528.

I think with the C1, you might enjoy the Pre 73 to really give you some punch and a variety of options of tuning in different sounds, and it won't break the bank!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the great ideas!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

markt wrote:
Anyone have any experiences with the symetrix Unit that I mentioned? If the Symetrix isn't going to be much better than my DBX, I'll take the words of the more experienced.


I really like my 528e; in use for at least 5 years now, although not for the pre... instead an FMR RNP going line level into the symetrix for no particular reason other than the fact I have one.

The downward expansion on the 528e, as has already been commented on, is one of its strong points. In my experience the EQ is good if you use it for wide Q boost/cut and avoid the narrow corrective stuff.

The symetrix is a flexible tool and I wouldn't think of parting with it. I use I use a Sony C-48 mic.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who has used both the 286 and the 528e on occasion, I agree with both "Chucks"... my reccomendation is taking the money and spending it on a standalone pre...for the $$ you'd spend on a VM pro, you could get a Grace 101, or an ISA one
and let your plug-ins do the processing
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