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Why to British Singers Sound American when they Sing?
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Deirdre
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:29 pm    Post subject: Why to British Singers Sound American when they Sing? Reply with quote

This Article puts forth an interesting idea.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm certain a psychologist could add another 11 layers to that article. Great find.

Now ....

Why do most FVOs sound bored when they're asked to do a sexy read?
Why do most MVOs sound sleazy when asked to do a sexy read?
Why do most VOs fail to move on from emulating the style of another VO instead of finding who they are and how they should sound?

Wanting to fit in and lack of confidence .....

SING - "C'mon baybay layt thu gurd tams rollll!"
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been asked this question a number of times since I've been in the States. I've honed my answer down to two words... Liverpool Docks. There were so many American influences coming to town and the local youth were like a sponge, soaking up all that was new and hip, be it rock'n'roll, blues or soul. This built the sub-culture on which a wave of British Pop was born.

If an American sailor wanted to make sure he had plenty of spending money in Liverpool (although, for the life of me I can't think what there would be to spend it on there), all he had to do was bring over a pile of the latest records. The cool local kids used to wait at the docks or the local bars, eager to buy them. The musicians amongst them would learn the songs and emulate the delivery because that's what their audience wanted to hear.

As a side point, I've always liked the way American songs will happily feature places and things within them. Town names, roads numbers and car names always featured heavily in the music of the time (and still do). It's OK to sing about Kansas City and Hot Rod Lincolns. Although not completely unheard of in UK songs, singing about Wolverhampton, the North Circular or a Hillman Minx just doesn't work... and you can't sing convincingly about T-Birds, Route 66 and Tulsa if you sound like George Formby!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bish wrote:
If an American sailor wanted to make sure he had plenty of spending money in Liverpool (although, for the life of me I can't think what there would be to spend it on there)


Ohhhh Dirty Maggie Mae?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many foreign singers use American vowel sounds when singing, but not all... I don't think Mick Jagger sounds American at all.

From my limited opera training, I can tell you that I had to learn different vowel sounds and mouth placement to sing Italian correctly...

2 cents from Uncle Joe Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisMezzolesta wrote:
Ohhhh Dirty Maggie Mae?
I wasn't going to go there... but visiting sailors in a major port towns do tend to encourage growth in certain service industries. Smile

... and just to add to my earlier tome... the post-war proliferation of US airbases all over the UK also helped feed the Brit teen's desire for, and accessibility to, American music.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What always cracked me up as a kid was hearing Paul McCartney's excellent R&B Americanisms (his Little Richard impression is uncanny) dissolve in an instant in "'Til There Was You": "There were birds/In the sky/But I never SOOOR them winging/No I never SOOOR them at all..." Yeah, no, that guy's *definitely* not from around here.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah...just read the article in question, and I sawr--um, saw--that the author referenced the aforementioned lyric by Sir Paul as an attempt to sound more *American*. Well all right then. Double Fail!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...i just always assumed it was because they were influenced by early rock n' roll from the US, which usually had a slightly southern accent.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a double-whammy, 'cos Liverpudlians and inherently northerners.

As for Jagger... his accent is Estuary (albeit Kent rather than Essex), but his rounding drawl is his idiosyncratic voice rather than any particular accent. The London bands were less likely to follow an American lead. Unfortunately, the cultural stigma surrounding regional British Accents (with the record labels etc.) was another factor that made regional bands lean towards American.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Britpop bands (Blur, Suede) sang in very English accents in the 90s, and the punk bands in the 70s and 80s did. Most indie UK bands do - The Horrors, etc. currently sing with very English voices. It's just the all out pop geezers that don't.

My fave UK band is Super Furry Animals. They're Welsh, with heavy Welsh accents, but they sing in English (with a Welsh accent). They were discovered by an agent at a gig, and the guy (he was Oasis' manager) said "You are excellent, and I want to sign you. I first need to know can you sing in English too?" They were like "Um, we're singing in English!!!"

Funny thing, when I was little I thought for certain that The Cars were English...even though they all lived a few miles away in Boston. More recently, I was convinced that The National were English, even though they're from Ohio. They don't sing with an English accent, but the guy rather sounds like an Englishman trying to sound slightly American. Then there's Guided By Voices where the singer intentionally signs with a pretty English accent because he thinks it sounds cool. See, anybody can play fast and loose with accents!

Oh, and I really like Jeff Lynne's (ELO) singing accent. Very English, but smooooooothed out.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert Plant in the first four Led Zeppelin albums: sometimes English, sometimes an English trying American on for size.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm keep hoping Bob Dylan would sing with an American accent more often.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce wrote:
I'm keep hoping Bob Dylan would sing with an American accent more often.

Hilarious!

Gerry Marsden (Gerry and The Pacemakers), and Peter Noone (Herman's Hermits) seemed to retain their British accents while singing.

And who could forget the Singing Nun?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Harrison wrote:
And who could forget the Singing Nun?
I had. Now I've remembered. Rats!
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