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vox1 · Contributor IV Joined: 14 Nov 2004 Posts: 126

Rate question that arises every now & then for a direct-booked Job I cannot convert to Union and need to concoct a buyout rate at least somewhat in line with Scale...

Work is: a set of :10-:15 In-Show Annc. elements for weekly half-hour hunting series. Program Open/Close, teases, sponsor billboards, feature intros etc.).

Usage: 6 Episodes, One Nat'l cable network (i.e. OLN, Sportsmen Channel) each airing 3 times per week and repeated once for a total of 36 airings.

Likely to be a new 'round' of these for future cycles year-round i.e., repeat scenario of the above for Q3 and Q4 airings this year.

Any thoughts appreciated!

Cheers,

Mike
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melissa eX · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:30 pm Post subject:

Can you call SAG-AFTRA and ask them what scale would be for something like that?

vox1 · Contributor IV Joined: 14 Nov 2004 Posts: 126

Melissa, yes but it's a hypothetical which many Locals aren't eager to help estimate since i'm looking for an approximation of a non-union equivalent rate.

I am longtime SAG & AFTRA. For this job to be converted Union, the whole show and talent - both on-camera and off-camera - would need to be union as well. Also – there would need to be a signatory. Sig of the Paymaster I normally route such questions through is not signed to TV programming. (vs commercials).
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melissa eX · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:16 pm Post subject:

Most likely only NY or LA would be able to answer that quickly with some accuracy. I'd still give it a shot to try and get a ballpark figure. I'd say look at the contracts but we all know how convoluted they are Shocked

Yonie · CM Joined: 31 Aug 2011 Posts: 906

Think I found something that could help, using the SAG-AFTRA rates.

http://www.sagaftra.org/files/sag/rate_sheet_commercials_8_10.pdf

- On the second page, second cell, you'll find the tag rates.

- On the first page, first cell, you'll see some rates per 10 - 15 second spot.

- First page also has a cell for CABLE.

- Make sure you at least have a session fee laid out.

Hope it helps as a guideline. I think we'll have more tips by the morrow.

vox1 · Contributor IV Joined: 14 Nov 2004 Posts: 126

Thanks, yep should be fairly straightforward calculation - Network Unit weighting and session fee are known + usage of 26-week cycle. Missing
link i guess is the specific Off-Cam category this fits under- i.e. in-show announce; open, BYTBs, Teases, billboards et.al - vs. Commercial(s)

That defined, think i can 'cipher' it out from there... Laugh

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Yonie · CM Joined: 31 Aug 2011 Posts: 906

Well, the promos would fit under 10 - 15 second commercials, right? I don't know how long the others are, but if they're just short--one or two sentence--spots, that'd probably be tags.

Shouldn't everything outside of actual programming go under the commercial label? It makes sense to me.

vox1 · Contributor IV Joined: 14 Nov 2004 Posts: 126

Lee Gordon · Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:15 am Post subject:

I used to think I was reasonably intelligent -- until I went to the AFTRA website to ascertain some rates. It all made me feel like my head was about to asplode. Explode

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