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ConnieTerwilliger Triple G

Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 3381 Location: San Diego - serving the world
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:55 pm Post subject: Buzz words and jargon - begone! |
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I just tried to record an audition from V123 and after the fourth sentence filled with nothing but buzz words and jargon, I decided that I just didn't want to read it.
What is wrong with companies who allow this kind of script to be produced?! Back when I was writing scripts for corporations, it was a different time, and I am sure if I look back at some of them, they would be equally as ridiculous, but times have changed people!
It was only about 4 minutes of buzz and jargon, but I simply had no patience for it. Perhaps it is because it is 110 in my studio at the moment. Perhaps not. _________________ Playing for a living...
www.voiceover-talent.com
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Lee Gordon A Zillion

Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 6864 Location: West Hartford, CT
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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I don't mind jargon if the intended audience consists of people who use that terminology on a regular basis. Of course, that means I have to either understand the jargon or sound like I do. If it's for a general audience, then, of course, jargon doesn't belong.
What bothers me more, is the erosion of language skills by the people who write some of the copy I see. Some people write as if they've never heard of a comma, are unfamiliar with most of the rules of grammar, or just phrase things awkwardly. _________________ Lee Gordon, O.A.V.
Voice President of the United States
www.leegordonproductions.com
Twitter: @LeeGordonVoice
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Jeffrey Kafer Assistant Zookeeper

Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 4931 Location: Location, Location!
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Mike Harrison M&M

Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Whether it's an excess of jargon, employing all the bells and whistles of various software simply because we can ("Hey, look what I can do!"), finalizing a video edit and forcing the narrator to conform to the ridiculous timings of a scratch track recorded by an over-caffeinated non-talent...or whatever it is, there's an awful lot of blather and precious little effective communication. _________________ Mike
Male Voice Over Talent
I have taken leave of my sensors.
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Philip Banks Je Ne Sais Quoi

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11074 Location: Portgordon, Scotland
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:54 am Post subject: |
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We should form the national Association For Louche Artiste Voix - NAFLAV.
Rules - During cold reading we light a Gauloises, sip a Calvados and brush people aside with disdain
"Bring me another ..SCRIPT ...I do not care for this one. I have taken a shipbuilder from Gdansk as my lover and we will be in my caravan ...Away oh petty scribblers!"

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Scott Pollak The Gates of Troy

Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 1903 Location: Looking out at the San Juan mountains
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Gotta admit, I'm with Lee on the horrible grammar and inability to spell even the most basic words anymore. People constantly mix up things like "their", "there", and "they're". Maybe some of it is using voice-to-text converters or just rushing through it, but when I receive a 'finalized' script from a client that is filled with misspellings, oh, God, don't get me started. And worse yet are all the self-producing authors out there now who apparently also 'self-edit'.
If I see an audition on the P2P sites that is filled with poor grammar or spelling, I'll almost always pass it by.
Oh, and Connie, having been a video producer for the phone company in the '80's, I remember the BIG buzz word back then was 'synergy'. It began appearing everywhere and in everything! _________________ Scott R. Pollak
Clients include Pandora, NPR Atlanta, Wells Fargo, Cisco, Humana, Publix, UPS, AT&T, HP, Xerox and more.
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Mike Harrison M&M

Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Scott Pollak wrote: | If I see an audition on the P2P sites that is filled with poor grammar or spelling, I'll almost always pass it by. |
I heartily second that notion. Apart from spelling, when I encounter horribly-written passages in an audition or even a paid job, I'll sometimes – depending on the client – record an alternate version (without stating a reason) that gets the same idea across much more succinctly and fluently. _________________ Mike
Male Voice Over Talent
I have taken leave of my sensors.
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Philip Banks Je Ne Sais Quoi

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11074 Location: Portgordon, Scotland
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:26 am Post subject: |
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You do realise 90% of our job is to make a pile of auld sh*te sound good, don't you? If the copy was literate, creative and well written anybody could do it. .....
"But I ...SIR ...AHM AHN VOIZZZZZ ACTAW!!!"
No you're not, I've heard your stuff ... Read sh*te and grab the cash
Leave the art to people miming all 3 hours of The Bridge over the River Kwai for change on a street corner in Soho. |
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Lee Gordon A Zillion

Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 6864 Location: West Hartford, CT
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Turning chicken sh*te into chicken salad. That is what we're often called upon to do. And this is far from a recent development. It has always been thus. Although in recent years, the guano to meat ratio seems to have increased. _________________ Lee Gordon, O.A.V.
Voice President of the United States
www.leegordonproductions.com
Twitter: @LeeGordonVoice
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ConnieTerwilliger Triple G

Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 3381 Location: San Diego - serving the world
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:43 am Post subject: |
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If a client comes to me directly with a less than stellar script, I will, of course read it and make it as wonderful as possible. I just don't have to audition for them. _________________ Playing for a living...
www.voiceover-talent.com
YouTube Channel: http://youtube.com/connieterwilliger |
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Frank F Fat, Old, and Sassy

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 4421 Location: Park City, Utah
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:54 am Post subject: |
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I find that part of our job is as the final "correction" point. I recently heard a local spot which was extolling the virtues of a local gathering place by stating how "wonderful food, fabulous fun and forgettable games" were going to make you long to go to the location with your family.
I believe had I read the spot for recording I would have asked the producer for his/her opinion of the words usage. But I was not and it is airing right now locally.
Jargon however is always a problem. Think of how often we use words like "body or presence, or color" or "P2P"? To us the words are familiar; others they think we must be in the diamond business.
Frank F _________________ Be thankful for the bad things in life. They opened your eyes to the good things you weren't paying attention to before. email: thevoice@usa.com |
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ConnieTerwilliger Triple G

Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 3381 Location: San Diego - serving the world
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Let me clarify - I don't have to audition for the potential jobs that are anonymous - such as on Voice123.
However, if it comes from a direct past client, or someone who has found me on the "interwebs (copyright Philip Banks)," then I'm sort of stuck. _________________ Playing for a living...
www.voiceover-talent.com
YouTube Channel: http://youtube.com/connieterwilliger |
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Philip Banks Je Ne Sais Quoi

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11074 Location: Portgordon, Scotland
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ccpetersen With a Side of Awesome

Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 3708 Location: In Coherent
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:00 am Post subject: |
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A couple of days ago I had someone send me an email about working on a project, gratis. He actually wrote, "Do me a solid." _________________ Charter Member: Threadjackers Local 420 |
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Mike Harrison M&M

Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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On the topic of poorly-written copy, this one came to me as radio station Production Director about 10 years ago. It was a new women's clothing boutique trying to make a splash. The opening line of the spot:
"Finally! {town name} has a little class."
...which clearly states the opinion that, up until this store came along, the town had no class at all.
Way to schmooze your would-be customers.
I did not produce it as-is. I gave it back to the copywriter and asked if that's really what the client wanted to say. It was revised and then produced. _________________ Mike
Male Voice Over Talent
I have taken leave of my sensors.
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