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Sorry for the newb questions, but this is the first time I've used a real mixer.
I've got the output from my mixer going into my M-audio pre and MicPort Pro via XLR so I can record. I've got the outputs from the Pres going back into the mixer so I can hear playback. It sounds fine, but it seems that it shouldn't work. Haven't I created a huge feedback loop? Is there someplace else I should plug in the outputs from the Pres so that I can monitor the playback, but they don't get included in the output mix back into the pre?
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Mic > preamp > mixer (use line in or insert) > interface
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| I know there are some who have scheduled some time with George. He can draw you a full routing map and tell you how all the ins and outs should be. That board has 3 independent outputs. Aux 2 is post fader, just in case you were wondering. |
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Bill, the preamp and interface are the same unit. I guess the question is simply, where on the mixer do I plug in the interface's outputs so I can monitor playback?
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| JeffreyKafer wrote: |
Bill, the preamp and interface are the same unit. I guess the question is simply, where on the mixer do I plug in the interface's outputs so I can monitor playback?
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Before you introduced the mixer into the family, how were you feeding the monitor?
Is what you are doing not working.... or is it working but you are fearful that maybe something you are doing is wrong?
When I purchased my current preamp/analog-to-digital converter, I took my mixer our of service. The preamp/converter has a monitor out jack... which I use.
Sounds like introducing the mixer which can feed both preamp/converters you eliminated the problem of switching the mic back and forth between the two pre's, but now how to switch the monitor back and forth between the two preamp monitor outputs is a possible issue.
I what you have wired up is working... you can hear the output of either computer in the monitor.... and you don't have a feedback loop making your life miserable... you're good to go.
From what you have told us, I think maybe your mixer has a monitor feeding circuit that mine does not have. What model is your mixer. I would like to go on line, get the manual, and see what you ARE doing, what you CAN be doing. |
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The mixer is a Mackie Vlz 1202. It seems to be working, but I just want to know if there's a more effective way of doing it,
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:55 am Post subject: Re: 'nuther dumb mixer question |
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| JeffreyKafer wrote: | Sorry for the newb questions, but this is the first time I've used a real mixer.
I've got the output from my mixer going into my M-audio pre and MicPort Pro via XLR so I can record. I've got the outputs from the Pres going back into the mixer so I can hear playback. It sounds fine, but it seems that it shouldn't work. Haven't I created a huge feedback loop? Is there someplace else I should plug in the outputs from the Pres so that I can monitor the playback, but they don't get included in the output mix back into the pre? |
Wherever you are normally able to get a line level audio output from your computer, you should be able to feed it to your mixer on any channel you choose. (that's why you have so many) I suppose you could even use the headphone output...turned WAY down on the Micport pro. (although that's not ideal) But one thing seriously confuses me...is that you are going from your mixer to your MicPort Pro. Whereas the M-audio pre will accept a line level input the MicPort Pro must have a Mic level input.
Mic level vs Line level. (Imagine a mouse vs an elephant) Trying to fit an elephant though a mouse hole? (it can be done...but it's a ugly business) |
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| vkuehn wrote: |
From what you have told us, I think maybe your mixer has a monitor feeding circuit that mine does not have. What model is your mixer. I would like to go on line, get the manual, and see what you ARE doing, what you CAN be doing. |
I believe he has this one: http://www.mackie.com/pdf/archive/ms1202vlz_om.pdf
Moderator edited to point to the correct doc. -jk |
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I've got the main output (right, XLR) going into the Micport Pro and then the headphone of the M going back into a channel on the mixer so i can hear playback. I don't know why that isn't creating a feedback loop.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:12 am Post subject: |
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hi jeff - i have a spatial-awareness deficit with this sort of thing, and i don't mean to state the obvious, but this helped me a lot.
mackie 1202vlz manual
page 6
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If all you need to do is feed the mic into two interfaces, and then have playback from one of them (or even both) is stick the mic in Mic1 input, with 48v on. Use the gain on that channels preamp to set your level, then send that signal to Aux 1 and Aux 2. Those Aux Sends are balanced (or unbalanced, depending on what you plug in). Get a TRS to XLR for the Micport Pro and a TRS to TRS (or XLR) for the M-Audio. Set the interface levels to Line level.
Then send the L/R output of each interface into one of the Line In stereo channels (Line In 7-8 and Line in 9-10) if you want to be able to play back for both. Plug your monitors into the main outs, and your headphones into the headphone jack. Hit the SOLO button the Line In Channels that you are using (this is because if you DON'T, you're headphone level will be controlled by the main mix level which controls your monitors).
Now, Main Mix controls your monitor output, Control Room/Phones controls your headphones, and you won't get a feedback loop.
The only issue with that setup is that Aux 2 is Post Fader, and if you have the fader up, you will be sending the Mic input to the monitors (so just make sure your monitors aren't up when you are recording and your mic isn't up when you are playing back or you'll get feedback in the booth)
Oh ya, remember to turn up the Aux 1 master or you won't get anything out of that channel. |
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| JeffreyKafer wrote: | | I've got the main output (right, XLR) going into the Micport Pro and then the headphone of the M going back into a channel on the mixer so i can hear playback. I don't know why that isn't creating a feedback loop. |
Feedback is to be avoided.
That's how I found out exactly how much replacement tweeters for my Yamaha NS-10's cost. (don't ask) |
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Jason, I *think* I understand what you're saying. Ordering some of those adapters from monoprice (RadioShack has become useless) and we'll see how it goes.
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| I'd stay away from adapters if you can just get the cables. You can buy Male to Male TRS to XLR cables....since each adapter adds a possibility of noise. |
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