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Mike Harrison M&M

Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:37 pm Post subject: What's your take on the phrasing? |
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A client I've had for a couple of years; one who has always been very positively vocal about the quality of work I provide and the turnaround, several weeks ago requested an estimate for a job they said would be in my hands the week of July 22. I responded right away.
I heard nothing more since, so I emailed yesterday to check on the status. The reply came today:
"We don't have this work available for you anymore. When something comes up we'll be in touch."
If a job became delayed or had fallen completely through, I would expect to read something to that effect, but the phrasing they used seems awfully unsettling. And this person is an English-speaking American, so it's not a typical language thing.
Any other takes on the wording?
Thanks. _________________ Mike
Male Voice Over Talent
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Quicksilver Been Here Awhile

Joined: 29 Oct 2012 Posts: 217
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Wild guess #1...they lost their client. But some people are challenged when it comes to communicating so it could be anything.
I had a client email me 3 or 4 times over the last 3 weeks saying that we "needed to talk" about a recent project and he would call me before XXXX and he never called and I couldn't ever reach him. Today I get an email that all is peachy but he needed 1 pickup for a 7 minute project and the check is in the mail. That is apparently what we needed to talk about. He had me imagining all types of scenarios.
Hope it works out for the better for you.
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Mike Harrison M&M

Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, DC. I wish that was it. This is one of those cases where this was the end-user.
If it were a question of cost, I would hope that any client – existing or prospective – would simply say that, and allow me the opportunity to make an adjustment. Just up and moving on makes more work for them. And doesn't make it a particularly good day for me, either.  _________________ Mike
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Bailey 4 Large

Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 4336 Location: Lake San Marcos... north of Connie, northwest of the Best.
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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To me it sounds like they are saying...
"We don't have this VO work available for you anymore. When something VO comes up we'll be in touch."
They can't find the words to say what they want to say. Very contradictory. _________________ "Bailey"
a.k.a. Jim Sutton
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Quicksilver Been Here Awhile

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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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A friendly phone call goes a long way. Think of a different reason to call them and bring it up off handed. I always make a point to try and talk to my clients on the phone whenever I get a chance. It's never felt like a waste of time, quite the opposite.
If they found someone cheaper, may they be stricken with a newbie with a USB mic and a great radio voice
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heyguido MMD

Joined: 31 Aug 2011 Posts: 2507 Location: RDU, the Geek Capitol of the South
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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I'm with Drew on this one. Based on your past history, and their previous feedback, there's no reason to assume there's a problem with anything you've done.
It's more likely an internal issue.... A project that was turfed, internal strife, or a simple change of direction (or management).
And Drew's right about the phone.... If you have a friend there, it's worth a call. Email sucks for conveying nuance. _________________ Don Brookshire
"Wait.... They wanna PAY me for this?" |
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Lee Gordon A Zillion

Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 6864 Location: West Hartford, CT
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:44 am Post subject: Re: What's your take on the phrasing? |
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Mike Harrison wrote: | this person is an English-speaking American, so it's not a typical language thing.
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Numerous people for whom English is not their native tongue, Claire Dodin and Jacob Ekstroem, come to mind, have a far greater command of the language than many American born English speakers I deal with on a regular basis, so I don't know if you can necessarily eliminate that possibility. _________________ Lee Gordon, O.A.V.
Voice President of the United States
www.leegordonproductions.com
Twitter: @LeeGordonVoice
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Dayo Cinquecento

Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 544 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Why don't you simply ask your client? No-one is going to die... _________________ Colin Day - UK Voiceover
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Philip Banks Je Ne Sais Quoi

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11075 Location: Portgordon, Scotland
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:53 am Post subject: |
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I agree. If it bothers you and clearly it does either treat it like an audition and forget it or "make that call". |
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Ed Fisher DC

Joined: 05 Sep 2012 Posts: 605 Location: East Coast, U.S.A.
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:13 am Post subject: |
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A friendly attitude and voice can go a long way.
I'd simply give them a call. Tell them you received their email and that they are an important client (everyone likes to feel they are "important") and you want to check to see if they are still happy with your service. You may not like the answer you receive, but at least you will know.
If your primary way of communicating with them has become email...sometimes a "little one-to-one conversation" can make the difference.
Or...you could simply "let it go" and hope for the best.
Either way. |
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Mike Harrison M&M

Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the feedback, support and suggestions. I did place a call to the client today... and my call went to voice mail.
The message I left was – in an 'active hush' that would've made Nancy Wolfson proud – "What happened? Anything I should know?"
There has been no reply yet. _________________ Mike
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Yonie CM

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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Dammit, Mike, I'm so sorry but; was that really your phrasing? |
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Mike Harrison M&M

Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Yonie wrote: | was that really your phrasing? |
After consulting with a close friend of over a decade who was a producer of corporate audio for many years and who had earlier been an account rep who successfully sold computer systems to the multimedia industry, the very low-key, genuinely inquisitive "what happened" was his suggestion. A second or two later, as I was groping for what else to say (as I was leaving voice mail), the remainder of the words just fell out of my mouth.
In case you hadn't read earlier in the thread, this was an end-user client (not a production house or studio) I'd done a half-dozen or so jobs for over the last couple of years who never once raised any rate issues and who, in fact, always had very high praise for my work, fast turnaround, etc. That they would suddenly just 'shut down' rather than ask if I could do better with the rate came as quite a shock to me.
Knowing that, what would your suggested approach have been? _________________ Mike
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ballenberg Lucky 700
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 793 Location: United States
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Sounds simple to me--they went with another voice, but didn't want to say it quite that way to spare feelings. Doesn't sound like a language issue to me.
Maybe they needed a different sound for some reason, maybe they needed it dirt cheap and didn't feel right asking you to lower your rate. That's what I'm reading between the lines.
And I've read a lot of lines. When I was a photographer, my rep would say of a gig, " It went away." i.e. It went .to another shooter. It's the creative business. |
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Scott Pollak The Gates of Troy

Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 1903 Location: Looking out at the San Juan mountains
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Not sure how much help I can be on this, but maybe sometimes ya just gotta say "okay, thanks.... I'll look forward to our next project together" and try not to over-think it or worry about it. Easier said than done, I know. I'll bet we've ALL had something like this happen with regular clients and sometimes you don't even HEAR from them; they just..... disappear. For whatever reason. Maybe it was simply time for a fresh voice. Maybe their work is drying up. Who knows?
You've left your message for them, now put it out of your mind and move on to other things. Should you NOT hear back from them, just be grateful for the years of good work and look forward to that next great client who will replace THEM! _________________ Scott R. Pollak
Clients include Pandora, NPR Atlanta, Wells Fargo, Cisco, Humana, Publix, UPS, AT&T, HP, Xerox and more.
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