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Ed Fisher
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 Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:37 am Post subject: Interesting VO-BB statistic |
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Interesting VO-BB Forum statistic.
Looking through the members directory I noticed something.
Registered members - 1583
Posted to the board - 794
Remain totally silent - 789
Strange....for people who make their living in communications.
Almost exactly HALF have never posted a WORD.
(simply an observation) |
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Rick Riley
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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And then some who DO post, don't put anything in their profile that might let one know who they are and where their experience lies.
Strange for people who make their living in communications that they wouldn't communicate anything about themselves.
(simply an observation)
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jsgilbert
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, there's really nothing unusual about it, statistically speaking.
A few years back when I was producing/ directing Bill Tancer reading his book, "click", I became aware of the 1-9-90 rule as it tends to apply to the internet.
1% innovate
9% participate
90% lurk (or as I call it, ruminate)
If you look, you'll probably find that about 1% of the members of this VO-BB are probably responsible for starting most of the threads, with about another 9% representing the body of people who would contribute to the thread.
Many of the people represented in that first number, probably only have posted a few times, or perhaps even only once, with a specific need or question.
You will find this to usually be the case across the board, even with paid subscription based services (although those who pay subscription fees will generally fall off and stop paying over time). Corporate intranets tend to have slightly higher numbers, but only slightly higher.
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Ed Fisher
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Rick Riley wrote: | And then some who DO post, don't put anything in their profile that might let one know who they are and where their experience lies.
Strange for people who make their living in communications that they wouldn't communicate anything about themselves.
(simply an observation) |
There are corners of the Internet with which you may not be familiar.
Once you've been there and realize the damage they can do. Simply because they FEEL like it. You develop a healthy respect for anonymity.
Phone calls to you or to your aged mother (or other members of your family). To the point of having to have your number changed. Things ordered (that you didn't order) and delivered to your house. ALL DAY LONG. Or it can get more serious. False police reports and people kicking in your door in the middle of the night.
This is not paranoia. But a reality, that if your are fortunate...you know nothing about.
Once you have hung with the "Trolls,"...they know you...and you know them...and they have NOTHING BETTER TO DO (literally) then screw with your life (if given the chance).
The Internet Highway is strewn with the remains of people who thought it was a safe place. So...there are sometimes good reasons for not being too forthcoming with your personal information for worldwide publication. |
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Scott Pollak
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Clutter Ash wrote: |
Once you have hung with the "Trolls,"...they know you...and you know them...and they have NOTHING BETTER TO DO (literally) then screw with your life (if given the chance).
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Funny you should mention this.........
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Rick Riley
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Clutter Ash wrote: | There are corners of the Internet with which you may not be familiar.
Once you've been there and realize the damage they can do. Simply because they FEEL like it. You develop a healthy respect for anonymity.
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But then when you join a community, such as this, and request and offer advice, common courtesy, I would think, would dictate a healthy respect for those your requesting from and offering to, as well. Healthy enough to at least point one to a website or some kind of business card that would establish your credentials.
No one here is offering their home number, but almost all participants offer a website. For you not to do the same would indicate, IMO, more than a fair share of paranoia. Perhaps something else.
Bottom line, the internet world is full of those who offer 'opinions' behind a cloak of anonymity. I've learned to discount just about anything I read from those anonymous contributors. I value the knowledge and experience those that contribute here provide and the fact that can I validate their opinions by their 'business card' is of considerable importance. Which is why I bring this to your attention.
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jsgilbert
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But rick, this assumes that people who use the internet and/ or social media actually know what they are doing or understand basic tenets.
I can tell you that many do not. And when you go beyond basics, there tends to be only a few aspects of social media that anybody can agree upon.
I have encountered plenty of voice talent in social media who in my opinion haven't a clue how to conduct themselves. And mea culpa, I've been guilty more than just a time or two myself. But what do we expect, there are "guide books", but there aren't any "rule books".
In fact, I will go so far as to say that at least a dozen voice talent I know are 100% guilty of violating the terms of service for Facebook in various ways. Ways that would often get a page taken down were Facebook to discover the violation.
We're going to see mass and sweeping change and regulation come to social media over the next few years, and I suspect some more steadfast rules will be introduced, which may mean better experiences for all of us.
But then again, I have to think about the real world and how many individuals I have done favors for, with nary a "thank you" in the lot.
Perhaps it says more about the times we live in, or then again Marshall McLuhan said "The media is the message".
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Bish
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| jsgilbert wrote: | | Perhaps it says more about the times we live in, or then again Marshall McLuhan said "The media is the message". |
... and the modern day equivalent of that may well be "You are the product".
There's a fine line between relative anonymity and over-exposure. To be totally anonymous I'm afraid you've got to get off the grid, pull the plug and don't even think about touching the internet... and even then, someone else will have your details on-line somewhere... be it a utility company are a retailer where you purchased something with a credit/debit card... even the DMV. The databases crumble all the time.
So, it becomes a case of managing it as best you can... some small level of due diligence or even a healthy dose of paranoia. As I said... it's a fine line, and over-sharing is an epidemic as we all watch reality TV and labour under the misguided apprehension that we're actually interesting to other people. Overwhelming narcissism and a monumental sense of entitlement are the modern day plagues.
Anyone who knows me knows that I am exactly the same in person as I am on line. My most endearing qualities carry over quite nicely, thank you. Most of us are in a comfort zone here (as opposed to F and there is safety in the knowledge that DB will slap you hard if you step out of line and become "that guy".
There is a unifying factor here... and I for one, will occasionally click-click on someone's website link just to see what's what. Nothing other than curiosity... but it is my expectation that people here are dedicated to VO to one degree or another... and somewhere on their journey (start, middle, end... doesn't matter).... and the fact is that this is an on-line business for most of us... so we need to put our best professional foot forward, smile sweetly and be present (just keep your politics/religion/fetishes to yourself, eh?)
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Ed Fisher
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Rick Riley wrote: | | I've learned to discount just about anything I read from those anonymous contributors. I value the knowledge and experience those that contribute here provide and the fact that can I validate their opinions by their 'business card' is of considerable importance. Which is why I bring this to your attention. |
Well now. If you like credentials.
I will say that I started in Radio in 1972.
Started my own Audio Production Company in 1992.
Currently still serve clients all over the continental U.S. (including Alaska).
Branched into Video and have produced promotional spots for National Clients.
Beyond that, please feel free to ignore my posts. Just as I am very likely to ignore yours. |
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Dan-O
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Rick Riley
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Clutter Ash wrote: |
Well now. If you like credentials.
I will say that I started in Radio in 1972.
Started my own Audio Production Company in 1992.
Currently still serve clients all over the continental U.S. (including Alaska).
Branched into Video and have produced promotional spots for National Clients. |
I guess my point is, how would anyone know what you claim is true since there are no links to your work that you'd like to point to. I would think if you serve clients all over the U.S., that you would have some public way for them to contact you.
I'm not here to pick a fight with you or challenge you. I'd just like to see your work, as I like to see many other's work on this board. Dan, who just posted is a top notch talent, so is J.S.. I have enjoyed seeing / hearing what they do. Their credentials have earned my respect. I take to heart what they have to say regarding the business. You were the one that posted about an anomaly. I just thought I'd highlight another one.
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Beyond that, please feel free to ignore my posts. Just as I am very likely to ignore yours. |
Whatever you say...
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Rick Riley
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Sorry Bish, didn't mean to leave you out. You're quite the talent as well!!!
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Ed Fisher
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Rick Riley wrote: | | I guess my point is, how would anyone know what you claim is true since there are no links to your work that you'd like to point to. I would think if you serve clients all over the U.S., that you would have some public way for them to contact you. |
You have a point. And clients can contact us of course.
It's also not important to me whether you believe me or not.
But, VO is a very different animal that what I've been used to doing. I'm approaching it experimentally, since the productions we normally provide are on a monthly cycle (primarily Cable Companies) and truthfully there's not a great deal to do for a good three weeks out of every month. (can't you tell I have ENTIRELY too much time on my hands?) Frankly, until I feel that my work doesn't suck, I'm not willing for one of my clients to Google my name and pull up a file with me doing Baby talk to kids teaching them about recycling their Garbage.
Somehow that kind of performance doesn't seem very... CEO-ish. |
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Jeffrey Kafer
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Interesting VO-BB statistic |
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| Clutter Ash wrote: | | Strange....for people who make their living in communications. |
Your premise assumes a lot. I would guess 90% of them do NOT make a living doing this.
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Jason Huggins
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| I would probably guess more than that. |
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