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An ISDN / ipDTL Comparison - Hear the difference?

 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:52 pm    Post subject: An ISDN / ipDTL Comparison - Hear the difference? Reply with quote

I recorded the same little bit of script over ISDN and then over ipDTL with Studio Bard to compare the two services. The first VO on this file is over ISDN and the second is over ipDTL.

https://soundcloud.com/davedeandrea/isdn-vs-ipdtl-comparison

The in-depth report can be found here:

www.studiobard.com/concrete/index.…h/ipdtl-report/
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. That's a great test. Listening to all of the samples at the Studiobard site, ISDN definitely provides better bandwidth and a fuller sound, and that's disappointing. But hopefully as technology continues to get better, this will change.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Source Connect's AAC still sounds better than Opus and MPEG L2 Mono 128, but at much higher latency. It is a trade off, for sure.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for doing this test. This is the best test yet, as you're sending the same take through both. It sounds like different reads on the other test. I actually liked the ipDTL on the other test even though it was 'thinner'. The ISDN sounds better on your test, but I think the ipDTL sounds great. It depends on the end use for the audio, I suppose.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lance Blair wrote:
Thanks for doing this test. This is the best test yet, as you're sending the same take through both.


+1 to that.

Even my long abused ears could hear the difference. The second read had a certain subtle brittleness or harshness to it that the ISDN did not.

On the other hand, without the back to back comparison, I'm not sure many people would have noticed. It still was very good. Just, at this point, (and in this test) not AS good.

That is...IMHO.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is the best test yet, as you're sending the same take through both.


Just for clarification, Lance, they were actually different takes, but I tried to match my read, levels, and mic proximity as best as I could for both reads.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hah! Well, you matched it extremely well! In the other test, the differences were noticeable. He points out a harshness in a word on the ipDTL read that sounded more like added nasal strain, not anything technical.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matching these ""takes" up on a scope reveals a lot. I is not IPdtl's fault, it is in the acceptance of Opus as it is packaged. I am tweaking what I have developed to more match the "original" input. It takes more work that I had hoped to get the sonic quality to where I believe it is acceptable.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a series of tests tonight to really put ipDTL through the ringer. The mic is a Sennheiser 416 into a MicPortPro, into a laptop. I was directly connected into a modem on both ends via eithernet. (Don't judge the read, please. It was quick and dirty)

Sample 1 - Near end record using the laptop.

Sample 2 - Far end record, captured at studio desk through the mixer.

Sample 3 - Far end record, with a slight 12k bump as it comes in through the mixer.

Sample 4 - Orignal near end sample, piped through the ISDN (line 1 calling line 2) and then recorded. This simulates what the same source material sounds like through ISDN.

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Sample 5 - Bridging through internet, through ISDN unit (loop back mode) then recorded. No EQ.

Sample 6 - Bridging through internet, through ISDN unit (line 1 to line 2) then recorded. Slight 12k EQ boost.

My observations:
I was considerably disappointed with the perceived lack of bandwidth on the ipDTL connection, even though I was running HQ 128 on both ends. It does seem to benefit from a slight EQ boost around 12k to give it a little brightness. Still, ISDN is noticeably better. I'm not sure why the samples seem so different than what is demonstrated on the StudioBard site. I actually emailed Kevin to see what he thought. Having never actually tried a mic with iPDTL before, these results aren't quite as good as I was anticipating.

Thoughts?
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