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roger
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:02 pm    Post subject: Why I still use the Oxford comma Reply with quote

Here's why
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And to think I almost didn't follow that link! Thanks Roger, I was raised back in the day when we used the Oxford comma (though we never called it that). Sometime later in life it became correct to leave it off. I still use it, and add it to scripts if it's not there. It's really handy in voice work when you're reading lists.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use commas every time I think they're needed, whether it's grammatically proper or not... and when writing copy I use them even more. They're a lovely, useful tool.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am so sick of asking the client "Is it meant to be 'our values, and Programming and Networking Solutions.' or is it 'our values, programming, and networking solutions.' ?" And they're like 'Oh, yeah...I see how that could be confusing...'

The Oxford Comma is correct. Period. Accept no substitutes.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Lance. I'm forever having to stop and second guess my understanding of the copy. But maybe that is just my own dysfunction Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:10 am    Post subject: Commas can save lives! Reply with quote

The improper use of the comma can be dangerous. At least according to Lynne Truss. She wrote a great book called, "Eats, shoots & Leaves".

Here is a link for those who don't have time to read the book...

http://youtu.be/eaaCKqddcJs

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Lance and Bruce both said. For my own use (editing/formatting scripts to my liking), I use commas like they were choclolate chips: you can never have too many.

If a client has gone crazy with run-on sentences (and commas), I'll use slashes to indicate where to inhale or pause.

It seems some clients' writers aren't sure how to use commas, either: I think we've all received scripts over-adorned with ellipses (...) which, by the way, (proper comma usage) if you bill based on word count and scripts you receive are riddled with pairs of words that are joined by ellipses with no space between (like...this), those word pairs will count as a single word. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If one writes clear and brief sentences extra punctuation is not needed.

Corporate speak:

When we present our specific sentences, in our unique and maximized way...commas semi-colons and colons - even dashes - are of need to the writer of these specific sentences.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lance Blair wrote:
Corporate speak:


Yep. If they can find a longer way to say something, they sure will.

Pasted below is something that's been around at least since 1911, when it appeared in the Warrensburg, NY "Lake George News." It is advice for writers and, allegedly, also the copy with which Don Pardo used to warm-up:


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Literary aspirants should religiously eschew polysyllabic orthography. The philosophical and philological substructure of this principle is ineluctable. Excessively attenuated verbal symbols inevitably induce unnecessary complexity, and consequently exaggerate the obfuscation of the mentality of the peruser. Conversely, expressions which are reduced to the furthermost minimum of simplification and compactness, besides contributing realistic verisimilitude, constitute a much less onerous handicap to the reader’s perspicacity.

Observe, for instance, the unmistakable and inescapable expressiveness of onomatopoetic, interjectional, monosyllabic utterances, especially when motivated under strenuous emotional circumstances. How much more appealing is their euphonious pulchritude than the preposterous and pretentious pomposity of elongated verbiage?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do SO love a good bout of amphigory!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm all for the oxford comma, though i remember learning in high school that it is optional, and that the 'and' between the last 2 choices serves as a substitute. but yes, for copy, bring on the commas.

i also adore the grocer's apostrophe. read about it here

or read my example: CONDO'S AVAILABLE (the sign i saw yesterday ... the same one from a couple of years ago. or is that year's?)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh on Grocer's apostrophe's!

Couldn't CONDO'S have an apostrophe standing in for the missing letters of CONDOMINIUMS? Although, I know nobody is being that clever when they use it that way. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possessive vegetables.

Hmmm... never thought about that.

Should I worry if my celery stalks are starting to eye me with suspicion that I"m leaving them alone with the potatoes? Or is that Potato's?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's the potato's that have eyes .....................
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

response to Diane's post
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