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ISDN - should I or shouldn't I?
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Rick Riley
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kristin Lennox wrote:
For me, it makes zero sense. Nearly all of the ISDN jobs I book are through agencies, so they are simultaneously booked into a local studio (one of the few that still has ISDN), and it only costs me gas to get there.
True, and before I got ISDN I used the studio route as well. But there were auditions I wouldn't get from my agent because I didn't have 'HOME' ISDN, and while I only had to pay gas to get to a studio, THEY had to pay for a whole OTHER studio to get the job done. AND they had to book two studios simultaneously. That cost is a lot more than just dialing up someone who has it, not to mention the extra hoops to jump through that go with it.

Once I had home ISDN, I started getting a lot more auditions where ISDN was required. It's kind of a 'Which came first, the chicken or the egg' scenario. Nancy Wolfson told me it would open up a whole other avenue and she was correct.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you will not recoup the equipment and installation fees over the next ten (10) months, no. That is how I answer all of my questions on procurement. If I haven't used something in the last ten (10) months, it is typically headed for the chopping block.

i.e. Just sold one 416, the next might be gone in ten months, too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick Riley wrote:

Once I had home ISDN, I started getting a lot more auditions where ISDN was required. It's kind of a 'Which came first, the chicken or the egg' scenario.


Yep, and if the ISDN rates here were under $100/month, I'd definitely take that gamble. Heck, I'd probably do it if they were under $200.

But they're not. Shocked So I'm not.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it looks like I don't have to bother as I can now use my ipDTL to dial in to ISDN...and it works just great. Tested it with five ISDN studios this week.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IPDTL to ISDN link seems like a miracle, especially for the price.
However, if you are working "to picture" in sync, not wild, IPDTL can't keep the timing locked and will drift, driving the engineer at the studio nuts. Only Source Connect will keep all in sync at the sample level.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Chicago IL, where the monthly rate for ISDN service was well over $350 when I dropped it. But just as importantly, I had a serious problem with the *reliability* if ISDN in my area, and a very low level of confidence in the willingness and ability of AT&T to fix it. They just don't want to spend money of an obsolete technology, and in fact it was hard finding a tech who knew much about ISDN.

Since I live in a major city, I have the option of paying a "talent rate" of $100/hour to use an ISDN-equipped studio downtown. Though with this rate comes the risk of being bumped if a full-paying client comes along (which has never happened). If I did get bumped, well there are very reliable SC-ISDN bridging services that cost as little as $35 per half hour.

I usually am able to roll my ISDN connection fee into my rate, but if the job pays well enough I'll eat the fee. For me, this works much better than paying $350+ for unreliable ISDN.

My most important contribution to this discussion is this: it isn't just the ROI of having your own ISDN vs the income you expect to make. You also need to consider the possible alternatives to having your own ISDN. Do you have low-cost ISDN options at a nearby pro studio? If so, that makes going without your own ISDN a much better prospect for having your ISDN income cake and eating it too.

I do get that some studios are nervous about using bridging services - it is no fun when an ISDN session goes south (ask me how I know). But the reliability of bridging services is quite good now, in my experience and in the experiences of 5 or 10 other talent I polled last year when looking for a reliable bridging service.

Hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:41 am    Post subject: ipdtl vs source connect Reply with quote

Three months ago I moved from my final big city home to our house in Western Kentucky. This means that after some 20 years with ISDN I've cut the cord. I'm trying to stay up to date with the pros and cons of ipdtl vs source connect, but I'm not doing a very good job keeping up. Reading this article seems to tip the balance toward ipdtl: http://www.audiovideopro.net/ipdtl-takes-on-broadcast-isdn/.

Any thoughts? Thanks, Jim
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