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craigsvoicetalent Contributor IV

Joined: 04 Oct 2016 Posts: 149 Location: South of Houston, TX
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:37 am Post subject: Corporate read advice |
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I enjoy reading and bringing life to story passages and narration scripts. I am new and still finding it difficult to get into any corporate/educational script. All of the advice is "to be conversational". What is the best advice you can give to provide a good read that stands out?
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Bish 3.5 kHz

Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 3738 Location: Lost in the cultural wasteland of Long Island
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:59 am Post subject: |
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I usually only ask one question when I'm faced with an educational script... am I in front of the class, or on a break, standing around the water-cooler with the class. 99% of the time, they like the water-cooler thing. The big trick is to get out of any performance mode and just decided who you are, who you are talking to, and where the conversation is taking place. Get comfortable with the script style and language, and just go for it.
... and here's a silly little trick that also works for me if I'm stuck. On my copy stand I have two plastic ducks... one is judgmental duck, and the other is supportive duck. I know it's bloody silly, but if I'm having trouble, I just talk to one of them... a more formal address for that judgmental bastard, and friendlier to my little buddy. _________________ Bish a.k.a. Bish
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ConnieTerwilliger Triple G

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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:03 am Post subject: |
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I have the little duck, but my other motivational trinket is a "homie" I got in the Rolberto's one time while I was picking up a carnitas burrito. _________________ Playing for a living...
www.voiceover-talent.com
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Philip Banks Je Ne Sais Quoi

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craigsvoicetalent Contributor IV

Joined: 04 Oct 2016 Posts: 149 Location: South of Houston, TX
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:01 pm Post subject: I love this place already! |
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Just want to say thanks for the replies. I am enjoying the honest answers and the sense of humour that is obviously very present on the forum!
I will be asking many more questions over the next few weeks! I apologize in advance
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ConnieTerwilliger Triple G

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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | "A good read that stands out." |
If you get a moment, go to Edge Studio and browse through their Monthly Contest and look for one that had this kind of direction. Conversational Corporate. I don't know if they have one like that, but poke around and find something that would be in this vein.
Listen to all the submissions. You will hear a lot of really awful efforts. But you will also start to hear a sameness to the reads. Just a person reading words with no meaning behind them. When something pops out to you as different - in a good way - somehow more connected, study it. _________________ Playing for a living...
www.voiceover-talent.com
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melissa eX MMD

Joined: 20 Oct 2007 Posts: 2794 Location: Lower Manhattan, New Amsterdam, the original NYC
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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For me what works may sound counter-intuitive but I find when I look past the words, I see the pictures that allow me to "converse" as opposed to "sound conversational". I don't know if I'm making much sense, but when I say "look past the words" I mean that literally. My eyes pick up the words I have to read but I'm looking just over the top of, or to the side of, the page and that's where I see the pictures my mind creates from the words on the page - even when I'm looking at the words I see the pictures superimposed - so I just talk about what I see, which of course is created by the words I'm saying. But since I'm not focusing on the "page" and the "words" it's far easier to just have a conversation.
GAH!!!!!!! That sounds absurd. I'm very visual so it works for me but probably sounds ridic.
Just talk to the duck. _________________ www.melissaeXelberth.com
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Dayo Cinquecento

Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 544 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:23 am Post subject: |
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melissa eX wrote: | For me what works may sound counter-intuitive but I find when I look past the words, I see the pictures that allow me to "converse" as opposed to "sound conversational". I don't know if I'm making much sense, but when I say "look past the words" ...
GAH!!!!!!! That sounds absurd. I'm very visual so it works for me but probably sounds ridic.
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Not absurd at all, Melissa; it's almost exactly the same kind of state that I aim for.
My goal is to get to a place where those squiggles and dots on the page (or screen) are not so much words, but rather, cyphers - reminders of the ideas or feelings that I'm about to express.
I try see the words on the page only as reminders of the concept that I've already internalised and (usually) pictured So it's a quick scan ahead and "oh ok - here's that bit about the driver's side airbag..."
Melissa knows the secret. She just didn't mention the prep needed to get to that state. But then, she's a pro and assumes you know that too.
And here's a link to a pic of my little chum that I talk to almost all day. His name is Boris...
http://www.voiceover-uk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Boris-the-bear.jpg _________________ Colin Day - UK Voiceover
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Rob Ellis M&M

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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:26 am Post subject: |
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When I was new it was easy to focus too much on each word, making sure that I pronounced it correctly. This does not make for a good read.
When I "got "the concept of reading in phrases, and not individual words, it helped immensely. Depending on the script, it also helps at times to include non-vocal utterances.....for example, if the script calls for you to express, say, frustration.....an exhaled breath of frustration in the right place to punctuate that expression can make it seem more authentic and real. |
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Mike Harrison M&M

Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:10 am Post subject: |
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melissa eX wrote: | that's where I see the pictures my mind creates from the words on the page - even when I'm looking at the words I see the pictures superimposed - so I just talk about what I see |
The very thing that the late, great Peter Thomas used: "mental imagery."
(linked clip is ±3:30) _________________ Mike
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craigsvoicetalent Contributor IV

Joined: 04 Oct 2016 Posts: 149 Location: South of Houston, TX
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:11 am Post subject: |
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I just wanted to let everyone know that I am truly touched by the openness and support offered by this forum. It is very humbling to me that experienced professionals will take time out of there day to provide nurturing and guidance to new talent.
I am using all of the information provided and I have already noted improvement in my reads.
Now - where can I find a judgmental duck and a supportive duck? Amazon seem to be sold out!!!!!!!!! |
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Bish 3.5 kHz

Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 3738 Location: Lost in the cultural wasteland of Long Island
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:39 am Post subject: |
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For the most part, when dealing with corporate narration, the words on the page are sacrosanct, especially when dealing with medical or pharma where teams of lawyers have approved the copy... or maybe the author considers them as high art not to be sullied by narrator. We have to work with what we have in front of us... usually.
Sometimes it's fairly obvious that no one has read the script out loud ("She grasped at the clasp"... aaarrrggghhh!) and some sentences can be ungainly and interrupt the flow. At that point it can become reading the words instead of interpreting the concept. The abstraction and interpretive flow is broken, and although, as professionals, we take it in our stride and do our best, at what point and under what circumstances do we bring our skills and expertise to bear on the wording of the script?
For example (probably a bad one but it's still morning and I'm not firing on all cylinders yet!): In the middle of a script that deals with the housing market, you find the sentence, "The housing market, over the last ten years, has been extremely volatile." There is no need to have "the housing market" up front, the subject has already been established and you just know that the simpler, "Over the past ten years the housing market has been extremely volatile." would serve the script far better. This issue is particularly relevant when dealing with scripts written by someone who doesn't have English as a first language.
For me, if it's a direct job (no audition), I'll record verbatim and send a second "corrected" copy of the offending paragraph. Sometimes (depending on the dialogue with the client) I'll suggest the change prior to recording. I have never (yet) had a suggestion turned down. For auditions, the simple answer is a second take, but more often than not, I'll send a single take with my own correction, noting on the response that I changed some of their wording. Again, I've never had kickback and if I get the job, they've always gone with my suggestion. Of course, I have no way of telling what jobs I didn't get because I did this
I guess it all boils down to how the narrator is regarded in any particular situation... as a functionary, or as a part of the creative process. _________________ Bish a.k.a. Bish
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Bish 3.5 kHz

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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:49 am Post subject: |
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The culprits.
 _________________ Bish a.k.a. Bish
Smoke me a kipper... I'll be back for breakfast.
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iannyc Been Here Awhile

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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Thankyou everybody this is GOLD!! |
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Foog DC

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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Peter, you can't post those without telling us which one is judgmental duck!
(I'm guessing the one on the left. He looks mildly displeased with me.) _________________ Andrew Fogarasi
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