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anthonyVO
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Telos Zephyr vs. CDQ Prima LT Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The differences are really very basic. The Telos is an "all-in-one" unit, the Prima series uses plug-in interface modules for ISDN, V.35, X.21 or RS422A interfaces.

This list of options for the Prima series is inclusive:
A1000 AES/EBU Digital I/O (optional on 110 only, standard on other models)
A1100 4 Optical Isolated Inputs/4 Relay Outputs
A1200 8 Optical Isolated Inputs/8 Relay Outputs (210, 220 & 230 only)
A1300 Optical Digital Stereo I/O (210, 220 & 230 only)
A2100 SMPTE Time Code (210, 220 & 230 only).

OK, that said, both units feature MPEG Layer 2, MPEG Layer 3 and G.722, and connectivity at bit rates ranging from 24 to 384 kb/s. Both are standard units for many Production Studios. Neither have IP (internet) connectivity.

So depending upon which "plug-in modules" you are offerd on the Prima, both the Telos and the Prima are about equal. Your decision may end up being one of price or 'branding'. In other words, which brand is the most popular in your neck of the woods (...with the folks you will normally be working with).

IF you have clients whom are offering you work dependent upon ISDN connectivity, and that work will pay for all the fees and the box, then ask them which unit they prefer. If you do not have any of the above - don't get in over your head with ISDN - yet.

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anthonyVO
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your studio has a PC based system and you need ISDN go the AudioTX route.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anthony,

Have you looked at Source Connect, yet? I recently took another hard look at it. Here are a few benefits:

* No ISDN phone line rentals or per minute charges.

* If an ISDN connection is required, you can use a bridging service to connect.

* Price = $400.00

* High speed internet connection is all that is needed.

* Besides the standard Pro Tools plug-in version, the new VST version accepts:

Steinberg Nuendo
Steinberg Cubase
Ableton Live
Adobe Audition 2.0

* It sounds phenomenal!

* The major networks are already buying into it.

* Major VO talent are buying into it. (Cipriano, Stone, Ben Patrick, Genus...)

(Please note, it has not yet replaced ISDN for the major talent and producers. But, in my opinion, if Source Elements keeps up-grading the program, it soon will.)

Bob Souer and I gave it a try this week and it was like we were in the same room. No delay that I could perceive. The same goes for the initial tryout I had with Rebekah from SE. She was located in London at the time.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds great, but is anyone earning any money using Source Connect compared to earning money using ISDN? For any pro' voice it's the only case worth stating. Triple the bandwith with no delay using half the baud rate is fabby but it won't put food on the table.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banksey wrote:
Sounds great, but is anyone earning any money using Source Connect compared to earning money using ISDN?


Yep. Joe Cirpiano talks about it and pretty much endorses it in one of his blog postings. He was vacationing in Monte Carlo and used it for a session.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SC is not compatible with the new Mac Pro or any Mac with an Intel chip...yet. FYI from what their site says. Which means, I must wait Frown
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't exactly have people knocking down my door to do ISDN sessions with them yet, but I'm still enough of a geek to be interested in learning about this technology. Can somebody explain to me what a "bridging service" entails? I think I understand what it is on a basic level -- both parties connect to the bridging service and the bridging service passes the signals on to the two parties. But who provides that service? Recording studios? Telephone companies? Or are there people who just do that sort of bridging as a business? Or is it totally automated?

OK, I'm all out of guesses. What is it?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digifon is one company that assists incompatable codecs.

EDNet is another.

Some of the studios I do remotes with have APT protocol codecs. I'm on a Telos Zephyr-- they don't talk to each other. The bridging guys have stuff that plays nice with everyone.

Leads me to this question-- does anyone know of a studio or person using a Worldnet Tokyo?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deirdre wrote:
Digifon is one company that assists incompatable codecs.

EDNet is another.

Some of the studios I do remotes with have APT protocol codecs. I'm on a Telos Zephyr-- they don't talk to each other. The bridging guys have stuff that plays nice with everyone.


Interesting.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deirdre wrote:
Leads me to this question-- does anyone know of a studio or person using a Worldnet Tokyo?


Hey Deebs,

I do all of my overseas ISDN work with a local studio that is using the APT Worldnet Tokyo... For the amount of pump up that it has recieved for being able to "play nicely" with all other codecs, let me tell ya... that certainly hasnt' been my experience. One wrong setting and you're up a creek... in my last session, we burned up over 20-minutes of studio time just trying ot get the two machines to speak with eachother (the other was a WorldNet Milano).

Anyway, if you're asking because you're interested in making a purchase, PM me and I'll pass some contact info to you...

For my $$$ it's SC all the way and I anticipate making the purhase in the next couple of months... I've already purchased Source Live, as I have a client who really likes to be able to listen in real time, but does not want ISDN, so that purchase has paid itself back many times over.

As far as I'm concerned, while we're all in the same business, we can have very different business needs that are dictated to us by our client base. For me personally, I am finding that many of my clients are quite progressive and open to trying new technology (for many other talent, that isn't the case) , so for me the IP based solution is a better one... not to mention that I simply cannot justify either the up front capital expense of ISDN, nor the ongoing line charges when I can pay once for Source Connect with 15-minutes of work. The bridging costs are negligible, when compared to what I would be paying in ongoing line fees... that is if I don't have the ability to bill it back to the client.

Cheers,

Brian
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Siree-- I am NOT going to be looking at the Tokyo for my studio. I was just wondering if it lived up to its hype at all.

I have had no trouble with the bridging that exists and thank heaven I don't pay for it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like my Musicam Prima LT for two main reasons: it instantly recognizes the codec format of the incoming call so you don't have to pre-set anything, and it's hundreds of dollars less than a Telos.

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