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Moosevoice · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:04 am Post subject: What's considered 'national'?

I'm talking with a potential client and he says that the spots they're looking to record would air on the CBS Sports Net (not the parent network).
I gave him a national rate (TV) that's actually below the standard rate in that this could be a recurring gig.
My question here is: CBS Sports Net IS technically considered a national network, right?
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Rick Riley · Last edited by Rick Riley on Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:59 am; edited 1 time in total

Philip Banks · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:54 am Post subject:

National, as far as pricing is concerned, is not who COULD see it but who is LIKELY to see it. The Bow Fiddle Rock is in Scotland and anyone in Scotland could see it but the majority are unlikely to see it.

Bruce · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:11 am Post subject:

This is a case where going through an agent might be helpful. A good one should have sources that guide them to a good rate quote. CBS Sports is I'm guessing a good medium sized network.

Also, as in your signature here I hope you're not promoting your affiliation with Voice123 to clients and prospects. It does not speak well towards your position in the world of network voiceover.

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Moosevoice · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:24 am Post subject:

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Philip Banks · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:34 am Post subject:

3 - Bess barks at it.

Moosevoice · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:03 am Post subject:

Ha, no, I'm not promoting my voice123 to clients. Sorry Bess.
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Bruce · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:13 am Post subject:

I have not done a statistical analysis of our membership's comments and reactions to the P2P debate, but in my 13 years on this board (I just celebrated my anniversary) I would say that the vast majority of members feel that voices123 is considered the second most vile organization-pretending-to-be-a-voice-talent's-friend-while-actually-disrupting-and-debasing-that-very-industry-before-our-eyes while a similarish organization in Canada is the most vile organization-pretending-to-be-a-voice-talent's-friend-while-actually-disrupting-and-debasing-that-very-industry-before-our-eyes. That's all.

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Bish · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:32 am Post subject:

I don't want it to become one of those threads, but second place in the "most vile" category goes to Voice Realm... some would even argue that they're a strong contender for first place.
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MBVOXX · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:51 am Post subject:

"National" is a widely used term...but generally, if it's National (Class A) use, it applies to the 4 big Networks - ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX.
everything else is either: wild buy-per market, cable, internet, or local market rates
CBS Sports Net broadcasts on satellite & cable, and digitally, so it would be billed at the cable or internet rate, or a combination of both, depending on how they intend to use the recording. I would be very surprised if the client doesn't already know what the rates are.

Bob Bergen · CM Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 981

I had lunch with a buddy of mine who is an agent here in LA. He told me there's a recent trend of non union actors submitting for representation, with a body of "national" spots that they are both proud of and think gives them clout. But they do not bring clout.

National spots close more doors than open. The conflicts that come with a national spot, even non union, prevent more work while the spot is still in cycle. Plus if it's non union the actor as well as the agent do not see subsequent residuals. So these actors aren't bringing much to the table for the agent to represent.

Non union actors feel a sense of career accomplishment with a non union national spot because of the national exposure. Their voice being heard from coast to coast. That does indeed feed the ego. And it might even come with a nice payday. But that payday will more than likely be a fraction of Class A usage. This is not a concept most pursuing vo relate to today. And it's also why it is so frustrating for the non union actor who sees so many on a daily basis take such lowball fees for large exposure gigs.

DougVox · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:46 pm Post subject:

Starting at a rate "below the standard rate" is never a good start (from the perspective of whoever offers that rate) to a negotiation.

Offering a low rate for what "could" become a recurring gig says "If you're willing to underpay me this time, I'm willing to let you underpay more often in the future."

Promoting your V123 link to anyone means that you're sending them to a place where they'll be just 1 click away from tens of thousands of other people who do what you do. Promote your own site instead.

Sadly, there's no shortage of 'organization-pretending-to-be-a-voice-talent's-friend-while-actually-disrupting-and-debasing-that-very-industry-before-our-eyes' sites.
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Tre M. · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:32 am Post subject:

For someone who is considering joining the union...can someone explain the classifications of National spots?
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MBVOXX · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:47 am Post subject: