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Bruce
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todd ellis
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well --- for one thing, he stole paul strikwerda's branding?!?
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Karyn OBryant
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LOL, Todd!
I'm pretty excited about this one. Armin is at "troll level: expert" in nabbing the Voices Dot Net URL. And he's rocking it for all it's worth.
I hope it takes off like a rocket, and that VDC goes down in the flames of the 12th level of Hades.
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Bish
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Not to get into the whole P2P debate, but if there were to be only one P2P site, I'd want Armin to run it. He's engaged with the community and listens to what people say... more than that, he acts on what he hears.
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georgethetech
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My favorite comment:
DaveC AUGUST 18, 2019
If the “Other Company” is as obnoxious as you’ve said, I wouldn’t be surprised if they file a challenge or legal complaint over similarity.
Armin Hierstetter Reply:
August 18th, 2019 at 8:10 pm
On what grounds. As explained in the interview, the term “voices” can not be trademarked in the EU. On the other hand, “voices.net” and “voices network” are trademarked. By me.
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Foog
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Yaay for this news! Armin has responded quickly and personally to every email inquiry I have ever sent him, and Bodalgo is a solid and professional platform. I hope this new one takes off. (and now to go check it out)
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Philip Banks
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We did not need P2P sites, we do NOT need P2P sites and we CERTAINLY do not need ANOTHER P2P site. Clients do not need P2P sites in fact they welcome being rescued from them. We do not need an agent led casting site, a Union or association backed casting site. What we all need to do is start talking, properly to the people who need to hire us, would like to hire us or would simply like to know how things work. This communication conducted in such a manner that they do not feel they have been patronised by experts or have joined a cult.
"Welcome Brother Voice Seeker. How may I shoulder your burden"
It would appear there are two solutions to the problems in our business.
1 - Set up another web site.
2 - Market another voice over convention
3 - Lie about the number of solutions to the problems in our business. |
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Rick Riley
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| Philip Banks wrote: | | We did not need P2P sites, we do NOT need P2P sites and we CERTAINLY do not need ANOTHER P2P site... What we all need to do is start talking, properly to the people who need to hire us, would like to hire us or would simply like to know how things work. |
If not for agents, and for those that don’t have them, P2P sites, where would we find a gathering of those people who need to hire us?
I for one am happy to pay a standard industry commission or a reasonable industry fee (that leaves out VDC) to those who gather rather than spend my time hunting when it be more valuably spent producing.
I haven’t looked at this site, but I will. Probably won’t join because my plate is full. But it’s full because there are those that have gathered FOR me, as I feel their time is much better spent hunting than mine.
Once again the standard closer, 'Just my opinion'.
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Jack Daniel
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If not for agents, and for those that don’t have them, P2P sites, where would we find a gathering of those people who need to hire us? |
I think Philip referred to agent-led casting sites, not agents per se. I get almost all of my work from my reps and return business (the last category being a big component, which I cultivate with care). These reps have worked very hard to establish trust with buyers and that is why said buyers keep coming back to them. But I also talk to a lot of people (easy here in LA) who are buyers or who help buyers make decisions, because it's simply vastly preferable to work with someone you know than some rando. Relationships and persistence are at least as important as talent and solid auditions, and that means not trusting in websites to substitute for the work of establishing relations. Armin is an interesting fellow and does seem to have something different here, so I'm game for checking it out. But I expect it will be either my first-degree relationships, and those of my agents/manager, who will continue to account for the great bulk of my work.
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Philip Banks
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"If not for agents, and for those that don’t have them, P2P sites, where would we find a gathering of those people who need to hire us?"
In the above, Rick makes a good point.
Here's the Pink Elephant answer. There is only a perceived gathering of eager buyers, the reality is far from the case. The worst of us (no reference to lack of ability) obsess about the business whereas the people with money to spend on us see us as part of the chain and not a very important part.
National TV commercial for chocolate bar. I received an anxious phone call from an ad agency First Former. EVERYONE had forgotten to book me for a session. Why? They had important stuff to do.
Step one for all of us is to encourage people attached to our business to stop inventing solutions for which there are no problems.
Real problem remains a ridiculous level of over supply to the extent that I read recently that the biggest talking point amongst Voice Actors was that everyone agreed that the Blue Yeti was THE industry mic.
Survey of voiceover fees in 2012 the lowest rate people would accept $100 (29% of those who replied to the questionnaire). Same question asked in 2017. 81% would accept as low as $25. What is the biggest problem facing the VO business? Us. WE'RE driving rates down. |
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