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BruceG Been Here Awhile

Joined: 01 Jun 2012 Posts: 258 Location: just south of Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:34 am Post subject: Info On A New Microphone |
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Here's an interesting read from Paul Strikwerda on a new mic:
Neumann Killer _________________ "What was that? An exhibition? We need emotional content." - Bruce Lee, Enter The Dragon |
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Bruce Boardmeister

Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 7977 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:33 am Post subject: |
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I liked it... quite a bit.... but I've got 4 mics as it is... all pretty decent.
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JohnV Been Here Awhile

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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Hadn't heard what actually happened when Samsung gutted the best legacy parts of their purchase aside from Soundcraft, whose consoles I have one of...
... I hope Austrian makes it fly.
Here's a further in-depth look at AA's mic in question
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/austrian-audio-oc818-oc18 _________________ SoundscenesDC, main talent and production offices just 385k km up the gravity well in LuNoHoCo Center, old satellite studios still bookable at the future site of Johnson City! |
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georgethetech The Gates of Troy

Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 1878 Location: Topanga, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Woah, that C818 is WILD, man! _________________ If it sounds good, it is good.
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yarg28 Been Here Awhile

Joined: 25 Aug 2014 Posts: 267 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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I thought the OC18 sounded really bad. It is very harsh. Especially with his ch and h sounds. And the sibilance...gross.
It isn't as smooth and natural as that Gefell.
I'm surprised it has so many favorable comments. With my every day engineering ears I just hated it. It makes me immediately think "What can I do with EQ to fix that?!" Which is a really bad start...at any price.
I'll hard pass that thing. And I'm a gear fiend and am always looking for and rooting for the new kid on the block. |
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Jack Daniel Cinquecento

Joined: 23 Jun 2016 Posts: 585 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:22 am Post subject: |
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yarg28 wrote: | I thought the OC18 sounded really bad. It is very harsh. Especially with his ch and h sounds. And the sibilance...gross.
It isn't as smooth and natural as that Gefell. |
The Gefell sounds significantly better to me, too. Though I don't think the AA mic sounds bad; to me, it just pales in comparison with the Gefell. _________________ Jack Daniel
Narrator / Man About Town |
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Dan-O The Gates of Troy

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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:11 am Post subject: |
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The last mic I tested was a Gefell UMT70s FET. I swore if my 416 ever broke down I would buy that Gefell. Just perfect. It cut like the 416, but wasn't as harsh on the ears over extended periods of listening. Closer to a U87, except that it still worked well in a small booth.
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Jack Daniel Cinquecento

Joined: 23 Jun 2016 Posts: 585 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Dan-O wrote: | The last mic I tested was a Gefell UMT70s FET. I swore if my 416 ever broke down I would buy that Gefell. Just perfect. It cut like the 416, but wasn't as harsh on the ears over extended periods of listening. Closer to a U87, except that it still worked well in a small booth. |
Me too. I'm thinking about picking one up for exactly those reasons. _________________ Jack Daniel
Narrator / Man About Town |
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yarg28 Been Here Awhile

Joined: 25 Aug 2014 Posts: 267 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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I made a special trip to Vintage King to trial a Gefell UMT70s and walked out without it.
It sounds incredible on most people but for me, it just wasn't quite where I wanted it.
I was disappointed but better than wasting money. It really is a great mic and I keep thinking I'll try one again sometime.
I've almost pulled the trigger on the U87 a few times but I'm in a 4x6 booth and I've heard it's unhappy in "small" booths. I don't really know if 4x6 is considered a "small booth" or not. Sure doesn't seem big to me but I know some people try to operate in much smaller spaces.
Of course, I have a 416 that I thought would be the answer but for whatever reason, it's just not great for me.
It's like I'm cursed... |
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Jack Daniel Cinquecento

Joined: 23 Jun 2016 Posts: 585 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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yarg28 wrote: | I made a special trip to Vintage King to trial a Gefell UMT70s and walked out without it. |
I enjoy going to VK but I can't tell what something is going to sound like from their testing booth. They're fine with you buying a mic and taking it home, testing it, and returning it if it doesn't work out. This is not terribly convenient, but I have found that for actually seeing how something will perform for me in my studio, it's a nice option. _________________ Jack Daniel
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georgethetech The Gates of Troy

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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Try a U87 in Figure-8 in a small booth, you might be surprised... _________________ If it sounds good, it is good.
George Whittam
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yarg28 Been Here Awhile

Joined: 25 Aug 2014 Posts: 267 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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georgethetech wrote: | Try a U87 in Figure-8 in a small booth, you might be surprised... |
interesting. I was under the impression that a figure 8 would be horrible in a booth. |
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Bruce Boardmeister

Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 7977 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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That’ll be $20 for the advice, $3,600 for the microphone.
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Jack Daniel Cinquecento

Joined: 23 Jun 2016 Posts: 585 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Update on the Gefell UMT70S:
I've had one now since November. I bought it from VK since they allow you to test at home with a generous return policy (which I've taken advantage of in the past).
The short of it is: I really like this mic. It is an LCD that actually sounds good in a small (5x4) booth. I've had (and sold) a U87ai, which sounded lousy in my small room (in fact, I've never heard a U87 that worked in anything less than a large space, in which case they are magnificent); I tried a Bock iFet last Fall as well that also suffered from that boxy sound.
If you're looking for an LCS that will actually sound good in a booth, the Gefell is worth a looksee. I still use my 416 90% of the time, but I love having the Gefell for longer pieces and some commercial reads. _________________ Jack Daniel
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