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NYCVO21 · Joined: 27 Aug 2020 Posts: 22

Looks like this is the only option https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1181606-REG/the_hook_studios_thpf842s_front_address_pop_filter.html?sts=hist-pi&pim=Y

But I can swear I saw something more like a traditional pop filter that fit a 416, in a photo. Something like this https://www.zenproaudio.com/roxdon-hpf-2-pop-filter?gclid=Cj0KCQiA3smABhCjARIsAKtrg6LCjQ9QlvQZHk6lEurdLa-AQz7_cSDxiIRJXZfNm7lvfZAM4FH-3gQaAg0yEALw_wcB But Zen Audio told me it doesn't fit a 416.

Know of any options?

todd ellis · Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:01 pm Post subject:

not an answer - but another question.

i've never understood the need for a pop filter with the 416. since it is supposed to be addressed off axis ... where does the plosive come from?

maybe it's just me - but i've never had a plosives problem with this mic.
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Frank F · Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:18 pm Post subject:

They do exist, and there are several types including "blimps", foam, and screens.

Here is the issue: They are NOT "pop" filters as we understand them. These are windscreens. Designed to reduce the amount of wind noise when doing EFP/ENG.

Do you need one? IMO - NO. Why? If you are inside your studio it is unlikely you will be having gale force winds interrupt the VO (that is of course, unless you have a very strong HVAC system inside the booth).

If you really feel you really want one let me know and I will send links to the myriad of windscreens for a shotgun mic.

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Jack Daniel · Cinquecento Joined: 23 Jun 2016 Posts: 585 Location: SoCal

I have the Hook filter but it's unnecessary with a 416. Off-axis address, as noted above, is all you need.
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dwpthe3rd · Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:37 pm Post subject:

As an aside, I believe the capsule is located about midway down the length of the barrel, placing it 5-6 inches away from the end you speak into.
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JohnV · Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:38 am Post subject:

The HOOK shotgun pop screen (comes in double and TRIPLE layers ) damned well works.
Aside from the 416 (I use it on a AKG ck8) it fits any similar-diameter mic... I have it currently on a Neumann km84 (a stunningly honest but severely plosive-sensitive small cardioid) as a compare-and-contrast experiment with the 102 against several other other small diameter mics as a voice option test. including a collection of AKG 535.s with the grille head removed.
It's fascinaitng to me how the frequency and shape and sound of the proximity bass boost happens with different mics happens.
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Jason Huggins · Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:19 am Post subject:

Ya know, I've always used a metal gooseneck filter unless I'm traveling and then I use the stock foam one. I guess you guys do make a good point...it probably isn't even necessary. There is no wind in my studio and I am not puffing at the mic. I have gotten plosives even with a filter if I am not off-axis...but that isn't how I use the mic so it doesn't happen really.

Is there an audible reason to go bareback?

Frank F · Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:32 pm Post subject:

todd ellis · Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:06 pm Post subject:

Frank F · Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:10 pm Post subject:

Besides that it is more roomy and fresh in your studio. And, we look good too!

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Jason Huggins · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:11 am Post subject:

I did an A/B test and I couldn't hear any difference at while using a metal mesh gooseneck filter. I DO however like the larger visual I get on the mic so I can tell that I'm not moving around and make sure that I am always in exactly the same spot. Harder to see the front of that tiny little shotgun mic to make sure I'm always sitting at the right proximity.

Plus...it's too cold in my studio for all that.

Frank F · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:23 am Post subject:

Jason seta second mic up in front of your filter. record a tone from a very directional speaker. Use a spectrum analyzer to "see" the reflections.

Then let me know your thoughts...

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Jason Huggins · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:01 am Post subject:

Oh I guarantee there is a difference...just not enough for me to want to give up the safety net that I'm positioned correctly on the mic. I listened critically with my DT 770 PROs and while I kind of might have a tiny little bit heard a minuscule difference, it was nothing that I couldn't attribute to a small difference in my inflection or speaking volume. I'd be willing to bet that no one listening without scientific tools would be able to tell me which was which if I gave you a wav file Smile

Nik S · Joined: 11 Apr 2017 Posts: 11

Late to the party but for me 416 angled down pointing at the noise hole is the way to go for sound AND avoiding plosives. Back end of mic at top of head height, front end at tip of nose height, overall pointing to between bottom lip/chin. Because of the height even fairly strong plosive blasts miss the mic's tip plus it gives a good space for script etc.

Dayo · Cinquecento Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 544 Location: UK

Yep - completely agree. Not much need for a pop filter if you position the 416 carefully. For 20 odd years, I've had a love/hate relationship with this mic. Just now, I'm loving it again. Maybe it's just nice to have a change from time to time. On balance, I prefer a good U87, but it needs to be in a great room to get the best results. The 416 is a little less picky, but then your technique has got to be spot on.
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