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bobsouer
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: My first paying Source-Connect gig Reply with quote

Last Friday I had a day off from work and a client called who needed an ISDN session done. While I could have probably found a studio here in Charlotte that would rent me some time, I thought I would try a Source-Connect to ISDN bridge.

I worked through a company in Connecticut called Digifon. Dave there did a great job patching things together. I had one small glitch when Time Warner decided to ping my cable modem, but I was back online in a matter of seconds. We reconnected with the studio and everything was finished in well under 30 minutes. (It was for a non-broadcast narration.)

On this same subject, there's an interview with Joe Cipriano on the Source Elements web page about how he is using Source-Connect.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, Bob. You can use Source Connect on your end, and it's automagically universally compatible with whatever the client is using?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Source Connect is a plugin for Pro Tools, Adobe Audition 2.0 and a few other DAWS that can connect you to other studios by using broadband internet rather than expensive ISDN phone lines. But, as Bob writes about, you can use a couple of companies to bridge/translate/connect Source Connect with any ISDN module for a fee. If I remember correctly, Digifon is $50 for an hour. But, as more and more studios and artists get SC or the soon to be released ISpeek (Hi Frank) , the less the need for ISDN and bridging.

(now, let the ISDN dogs loose!)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This raises a question for me that I'll put to Bob or anybody else here who uses ISDN-like technology or even just a phone patch: Do your sessions ever get interrupted by noise you can't control? My studio is quiet enough about 85 percent of the time. But there are noises -- a fire station across the street, cars honking occasionally in the alley below my window, clattering steam-heat radiators -- that pop up unexpectedly, completely out of my control.

I have no qualms about investing $600 in SourceConnect or something similar. But I'm wondering if it would be unwise to advertise myself as being available for sessions from home, only to become known as the guy whose sessions go long because of wailing sirens.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you will need to build a soundproof booth or have one built. Many options are available depending on how elaborate you wanna get. You can build it with double studded walls with baffles to eliminate incoming noise.

Hart built one that was pretty impressive. Find his thread...he has pictures etc. I am not sure if there are any booths available that you can "buy" for a decent price, if any, that guarantee no noise leakage into the booth.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for you Bob, congrat's.

Thanks Dan-O - if my employees would get off their ________ - well, you fill in the blank. iSpeek would be here already. Hopefully - well I wont hold my breath.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TC wrote:
This raises a question for me that I'll put to Bob or anybody else here who uses ISDN-like technology or even just a phone patch: Do your sessions ever get interrupted by noise you can't control? My studio is quiet enough about 85 percent of the time.


In my experiences, noise is ALWAYS going to be somewhat of an issue! I've built myself a nice little booth that keeps most of the noise out most of the time, but innevitably there's going to be the odd time when an unnexpected loud noise creeps its way into the booth... heck, I've actually had it happen at professional studios from time to time. Clients understand if it happens occassionally, but if you're living in a home that has continual noise issues, you may want to consider the reality of being able to build a booth of a practical size that will keep the noise out... how often will you need ISDN or phone patch? Does the investment in the software/hardware and isolation booth pay for itself in a reasonable amount of time? My goal in making an investment such as that is to have it paid off in 3 sessions... I don't always hit that target, but if my expected ROI is more than 5 or 6 sesssions I really consider how much I need the "new little toy."

I know that this isn't always practical, but I'm always very concious of where my home is... I'll be moving to Vancouver, BC in January and one of the primary concerns that I have in finding a new home is location... I try to stay away from busy roads and find a place that has an office/bedroom in a relatively well isolated part of the house... not always feasible, but a consideration whenever possible.

Worst case scenerio.. my place is too loud and I rely on local studios for certain needs until I have enough volume to justify an investment in making my studio completely practical.

Just my thoughts... goodness knows there are many more!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan-O wrote:
If I remember correctly, Digifon is $50 for an hour.

Dan,

It's actually $50 per half-hour, plus the "phone line" charges for the ISDN side of the connection. Still, most of my sessions run less than 30 minutes and the vast majority of them are delivery over the Internet on my site or theirs. So I figure I figure I can do sessions for the next 2 to 3 years and still be money ahead vs. investing in the ISDN hardware, service installation and monthly charges.

I believe in less than 3 years, the transition away from ISDN will be well underway.

(edited to add:) TC, I think Brian and Ben have nailed the answer to your question. If you need to do ISDN/phone patch sessions often enough, invest in a sound booth that will eliminate the vast majority of those issues. I've had this come up a time or 3 in a session. I usually mention as the interruption starts what's happening and how many seconds/minutes I estimate it will take before we can get back to work. But, I live in a quiet subdivision well away from fire stations and train tracks so I don't have to deal with a lot of the issues you mention.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank F wrote:
Good for you Bob, congrat's.

Thanks Dan-O - if my employees would get off their ________ - well, you fill in the blank. iSpeek would be here already. Hopefully - well I wont hold my breath.

FF

Frank,

Thank you. And I'm eager to try iSpeek. I'm confident it too will find a place in my toolkit.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob,

I was going to PM you on this but thought the group might like to know the answer. I am considering SourceConnect Standard, but I work from 3 different computers - studio, home studio, and laptop - all running Adobe Audition 2.0.

Would I be able to take the iLok USB dongle and move it from system to system depending on which one I'm using?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave-

As I understand it, you would need the VST version for AA 2.0. You can use the same Ilock, but would have to purchase three different software packages for each computer.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan-O wrote:
You can use the same Ilock, but would have to purchase three different software packages for each computer.


OK, I went straight to the "Source" (hee-hee) and called them. Here's the answer...

Once you've purchased the iLok authorization for SourceConnect VST, you can install the program on as many computers as you want. Then just take the dongle to the computer you want to use, plug it in, and Bob's yer uncle... you're ready to go.

Just one purchase... as many computers as you want (just one at a time).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan-O wrote:
Dave-

As I understand it, you would need the VST version for AA 2.0. You can use the same Ilock, but would have to purchase three different software packages for each computer.

Dan

Dave and Dan,

Actually, I don't believe that's correct. You can install the same software package on all 3 computers as long as you have the iLok plugged into each computer's USB port when you're doing the install. Then, make sure you have the iLok in the USB port of whichever computer you're at before you bring up the VST. (I'd recommend using the same USB port each time you use a particular computer, to eliminate variables.)

I've moved my iLok from my main workstation at home to my laptop when I'm on the road (and back again) with no problems. (Though to be clear, I'm using the ProTools Standard version, not the VST/Adobe.)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Dave,

Once you're up and running, I'd be delighted to do a test connection with you, just to see how it sounds.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if Source Connect would work with AudioTX when it's in Network IP mode, any thoughts?
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