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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject: What level do you record at? Reply with quote

Before compression, normalization, in-software amplification, and Simonizing™, what are your raw levels?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Between -4.5 and -1.8.

I don't know if this will make sens on anyone else's setup—that's the gain level when I measure it in Pro Tools.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the same on my Audio Desk software...I aim for a -5 average with occasional peaks up to -2. It seems to make all the people I send audio to happy.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally around -6 db
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wish I could achieve those levels. I control my input into my audio interface so that it is just below clipping, but the USB output to the computer can't be controlled and I end up with a signal at anywhere between -18 and -21 at the peaks in Audition 2.....the only way to increase the signal strength in Audition 2 is to increase the input into the audio interface which puts in the clipping range. So I have to normalize up to get to a -6 signal level.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not only would I like to know what the others are recording at, I'd love to know what I am.
With Pro Tools, I thought it could reasonably be measured by recording dead air and then checking your wave line reading.
But mine comes in a -10.4 db, and that sounds way too good.
Absent a sound meter, are there other ways to get a reading?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's my problem, too. To record without distortion, I'm coming in at about -18 to -15.

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wish I could achieve those levels. I control my input into my audio interface so that it is just below clipping, but the USB output to the computer can't be controlled and I end up with a signal at anywhere between -18 and -21 at the peaks in Audition 2.....the only way to increase the signal strength in Audition 2 is to increase the input into the audio interface which puts in the clipping range. So I have to normalize up to get to a -6 signal level.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's my problem, too. To record without distortion, I'm coming in at about -18 to -15.

That's not good. Because I'm guessing you normalize up, which is a bad thing if you have any noise whatsoever since you boost the noise floor along with the good stuff. Compression is your friend here, but even that's not going to compensate for proper input levels.

You want to shoot for -5db so you have some extra headroom for EQ. If you really want to fix the problem, figure out a different signal chain that gives you more control.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm against normalizing.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Normalize now! Power to the people!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when you can't achieve a distortion free level any other way, then you have no choice. Sounds like Amy and I have the same issue....can't get a strong enough signal into our recording software without clipping on the input.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Greenlee wrote:
when you can't achieve a distortion free level any other way, then you have no choice. Sounds like Amy and I have the same issue....can't get a strong enough signal into our recording software without clipping on the input.

I guess I'm not understanding your chain enough. Why would it be too quiet or too hot?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know......Mic goes into the preamp.....preamp into the audio interface.....USB cable for the output from the audio interface into the computer and Audition 2. Set the levels on the preamp so there is no clipping going in to the preamp.....then set the level of the input to the audio interface so that there is no clipping there.....the result is a signal in Audition that is anywhere from -21 to -18 db on the display. The only way to raise that raw input signal in Audition, is for me to allow more input into the audio interface which in turn raises the signal level in audition....the problem being is that raising the input level of the audio interface causes the clipping light to illuminate on the audio interface....so.....to have a clipping free audio signal, I end up with a signal strength of -21 to -18 in Audition......to raise that level, I then have to normalize to -6.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to normalize, but I started messing with the "Compander" setting in the "Dynamics Processing" in Audition. That gives my voice level some added punch, brings it up a bit, and drops the floor down some to where the silent portions are truly SILENT.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the digital world, where over-modulation spells distortion, it may be best to "normalize" to around 95%. (read like DLF)
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