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asnively Triple G

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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:26 am Post subject: What level do you record at? |
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Before compression, normalization, in-software amplification, and Simonizing™, what are your raw levels?
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 13023 Location: Camp Cooper
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Between -4.5 and -1.8.
I don't know if this will make sens on anyone else's setup—that's the gain level when I measure it in Pro Tools. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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Bruce Boardmeister

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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: |
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About the same on my Audio Desk software...I aim for a -5 average with occasional peaks up to -2. It seems to make all the people I send audio to happy.
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Hart Assistant Asylum Chief

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Tom Greenlee DC

Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 686 Location: Divide, Colorado (above the clouds)
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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wish I could achieve those levels. I control my input into my audio interface so that it is just below clipping, but the USB output to the computer can't be controlled and I end up with a signal at anywhere between -18 and -21 at the peaks in Audition 2.....the only way to increase the signal strength in Audition 2 is to increase the input into the audio interface which puts in the clipping range. So I have to normalize up to get to a -6 signal level. _________________ TG2
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robert jadah Guest
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Not only would I like to know what the others are recording at, I'd love to know what I am.
With Pro Tools, I thought it could reasonably be measured by recording dead air and then checking your wave line reading.
But mine comes in a -10.4 db, and that sounds way too good.
Absent a sound meter, are there other ways to get a reading? |
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asnively Triple G

Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 3204 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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That's my problem, too. To record without distortion, I'm coming in at about -18 to -15.
Tom Greenlee wrote: | wish I could achieve those levels. I control my input into my audio interface so that it is just below clipping, but the USB output to the computer can't be controlled and I end up with a signal at anywhere between -18 and -21 at the peaks in Audition 2.....the only way to increase the signal strength in Audition 2 is to increase the input into the audio interface which puts in the clipping range. So I have to normalize up to get to a -6 signal level. |
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Jeffrey Kafer Assistant Zookeeper

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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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asnively wrote: | That's my problem, too. To record without distortion, I'm coming in at about -18 to -15. |
That's not good. Because I'm guessing you normalize up, which is a bad thing if you have any noise whatsoever since you boost the noise floor along with the good stuff. Compression is your friend here, but even that's not going to compensate for proper input levels.
You want to shoot for -5db so you have some extra headroom for EQ. If you really want to fix the problem, figure out a different signal chain that gives you more control. _________________ Jeff
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Diane Maggipinto Spreading Snark Worldwide

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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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I'm against normalizing. _________________ sitting at #8, though not as present as I'd like to be. Hello!
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Normalize now! Power to the people! |
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Tom Greenlee DC

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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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when you can't achieve a distortion free level any other way, then you have no choice. Sounds like Amy and I have the same issue....can't get a strong enough signal into our recording software without clipping on the input. _________________ TG2
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Jeffrey Kafer Assistant Zookeeper

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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Tom Greenlee wrote: | when you can't achieve a distortion free level any other way, then you have no choice. Sounds like Amy and I have the same issue....can't get a strong enough signal into our recording software without clipping on the input. |
I guess I'm not understanding your chain enough. Why would it be too quiet or too hot? _________________ Jeff
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Tom Greenlee DC

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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Don't know......Mic goes into the preamp.....preamp into the audio interface.....USB cable for the output from the audio interface into the computer and Audition 2. Set the levels on the preamp so there is no clipping going in to the preamp.....then set the level of the input to the audio interface so that there is no clipping there.....the result is a signal in Audition that is anywhere from -21 to -18 db on the display. The only way to raise that raw input signal in Audition, is for me to allow more input into the audio interface which in turn raises the signal level in audition....the problem being is that raising the input level of the audio interface causes the clipping light to illuminate on the audio interface....so.....to have a clipping free audio signal, I end up with a signal strength of -21 to -18 in Audition......to raise that level, I then have to normalize to -6. _________________ TG2
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TheVoiceOfBob 14th Avenue

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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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I used to normalize, but I started messing with the "Compander" setting in the "Dynamics Processing" in Audition. That gives my voice level some added punch, brings it up a bit, and drops the floor down some to where the silent portions are truly SILENT. _________________ Try to imagine a world where there is no such thing as hypothetical situations.
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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In the digital world, where over-modulation spells distortion, it may be best to "normalize" to around 95%. (read like DLF) _________________ Wild Willie Edwards
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