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Rob Ellis M&M

Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: Political spots |
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I am facing this potential dilemma for the first time.
Not talking about extreme and or/tasteless content, which I won't do.
But in the Republican vs. Democrat realm, are we hired guns or voices(or on-camera talent) that
only voice those spots we strongly identify with in real life.
Being somewhat of a centrist, there could potentially be dilemmas either way!
I found an earlier thread of a similar nature, but it didn't specifically address the Republican vs. Democrat question. |
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brianforrester Backstage Pass

Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 492 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: |
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In a very concerted effort to leave politics out of this, I'll try to provide my simple rule...
Is this a moral issue for you?
If you were paid to do your job, which is to provide your professional voice over services to clients, could you sleep at night, look your family square in the face, walk down the street with your head held high, if you provided your services for this paying client? A key word for me is "paying"... I'll only do pro-bono work for a cause that I believe in and am passionate about!
I'm not asking if you agree with the content, believe in the content or could provide a compelling off the cuff lecture on the content, I'm simply asking if you your moral conscience would be affected if you did this paid job. Furthermore, if you aren't comfortable with the content, could you still provide a compelling performance that would satisfy the client?
Some people can view it simply as a job, some people view it as something more, but everybody has their own set of beliefs and comforts, you just have to be able to be true to yours.
I try to apply this to every job that I complete, regardless of whether it's political, theological, technological, or just a good ole spot for a shoe store.
Cheers, _________________ Brian Forrester Voice Overs
www.brianforrester.com
brian@brianforrester.com
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Jeff McNeal Guest
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: |
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It's a little presumptuous to fret that ones own VO work is going to win or lose any election for a candidate, pass or defeat a measure, etc., so if you frame it that way, then it's easier to accept the assignment as a "hired gun".
Plenty of liberal actors have effectively portrayed conservative roles and plenty of conservatives have convincingly played liberals.
Voice actors can do the same. It's how you make your living. If you feel too strongly about the implied endorsement of a particular candidate, you can always pass.
In my case, I'm conveniently unable to do political spots in Los Angeles and several other markets, since there would be a clear conflict of interest for me. |
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Rob Ellis M&M

Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Good thoughts, thanks!
This is somewhat new territory for me, so I'm still feeling my way around it.
I guess I will just keep an open mind and rely on my gut instincts. |
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Diane Maggipinto Spreading Snark Worldwide

Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 6679 Location: saul lay seetee youtee
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | It's a little presumptuous to fret that ones own VO work is going to win or lose any election for a candidate ... |
I just listened to a spot I voiced in October 2006, against Sarah Palin. Obviously, the candidate (whose name I can't remember, and it's not included in the spot!) lost ... but I have wondered ... what if Palin lost?
Six degrees ... _________________ sitting at #8, though not as present as I'd like to be. Hello!
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todd ellis A Zillion

Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Posts: 10531 Location: little egypt
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | i would have voted for "that other guy" ... if it hadn't been for that $#@&$ ad AGAINST his opponent!!!" |
random alaska voter _________________ "i know philip banks": todd ellis
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 13023 Location: Camp Cooper
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: |
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I just turned something down that was against what I personally believe. Not about a candidate, but about an issue.
It's kinda funny that I always seem to get requests for stuff that is opposite of my political views!
I've usually been able to shill for any candidate. Issues are different.
Sometimes the amount of money makes a difference!
Sometimes it doesn't. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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Frank F Fat, Old, and Sassy

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 4421 Location: Park City, Utah
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Politics. The reason I do not do political spots - period.
Personally I choose to not voice political spots locally. Doing so can create all sorts of conundrums down the road in small areas. Yes, "politicals" can be good money, and the pay is quick (under law), but to me, they are not worth the headache.
Toodles
F2 _________________ Be thankful for the bad things in life. They opened your eyes to the good things you weren't paying attention to before. email: thevoice@usa.com |
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Jeff McNeal Guest
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:17 am Post subject: |
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The timing of this thread is quite serendipitous. I was just sent an audition for a political spot that I totally, vehemently disagree with and find extremely offensive.
Heh. Time to put my money where my mouth is. |
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ccpetersen With a Side of Awesome

Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 3708 Location: In Coherent
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Well, this isn't quite VO, but a few months ago I was asked to write a series of exhibits about the topic of global warming and climate change. I had some knowledge of the issues involved, and I do have some academic/science background that would help me understand the issues. The client didn't ask if I supported or denied global warming/climate change, but they did make it clear that I would be writing about the scientific aspects and not to bring politics into it.
As it turned out, once I caught up on the literature, it was something I could write comfortably about, and so i took the project.
However, if someone asked me to write about something that was clearly NOT scientifically valid, such as, say, the contention that the world is flat and that we faked the Apollo landings, I'd have to say no.
The point here is that there will be those projects that you have to "gut check"... _________________ Charter Member: Threadjackers Local 420 |
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bobsouer Frequent Flyer

Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 9883 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Jeff McNeal wrote: | Heh. Time to put my money where my mouth is. |
Jeff,
Thanks for putting a big smile on my face today. _________________ Be well,
Bob Souer (just think of lemons)
The second nicest guy in voiceover.
+1-724-613-2749
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todd ellis A Zillion

Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Posts: 10531 Location: little egypt
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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i ran into this last year ... i did a couple - didn't feel great about it - then when they came back for more i just had to tell them no. _________________ "i know philip banks": todd ellis
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Jon Morss Guest
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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How timely for me. This last Wednesday I was booked to record for a Political spot locally without knowing fully what the spot was for. I just decided to go into it with an open mind and do the gig regardless of the content. Luckily it was for something that I do agree with and the best part was that it would only be aired for a focus group. But, even if it were for something that I don't necessarily agree with, I would have still voiced the spot to the best of ability. I felt I was hired to provide a voice and not to judge the content. I hope this isn't too risky of an approach. |
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Lee Gordon A Zillion

Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 6864 Location: West Hartford, CT
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Jeff McNeal wrote: | It's a little presumptuous to fret that ones own VO work is going to win or lose any election for a candidate, pass or defeat a measure, etc. |
I completely agree. Nevertheless, I would not do a spot that promotes a candidate or cause I strongly oppose, just as I don't audition to be the disembodied voice on the other end of an unsolicited auto-dialer phone message. I realize my contribution to the cause is not likely to make any substantial difference in their marketing effort. I just don't want any part of it.
But there is a more practical reason for turning down work for highly controversial causes you disagree with -- or even ones you support. While your voice over may not make a difference in getting some politico elected or law enacted, your presence in that marketing effort may prejudice a few producers against using you for their projects. Other than your own friends and families, nobody is likely to even know that voice on the suspect spot is yours. Nobody except that producer who might otherwise have hired you.
Being strongly identified with one side of the political spectrum or the other is likely to cost you more business than it buys you. Where I live, there is a similar phenomenon with sports. Here in Connecticut, we are fairly evenly divided among fans of the Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees. Some advertisers (particularly those who sponsor the local broadcasts of one team or the other) choose to identify with one team over the other and I think it does them more harm than good.
I'm not going to buy a car from a dealer just because he proclaims himself to be a Red Sox supporter -- unless he also offers the best deal. But if he is all gung-ho about being a Yankee supporter, I may not even bother taking a test drive at his dealership. And I would expect many NY fans to react equally negatively toward the unabashed Boston-rooting dealer.
Further north in New England, it is not controversial to support the Sox, so it makes sense for businesses in Maine, NH, VT, and Mass to hitch their wagons to the Fenway star. Closer to NY City there is less risk to associating yourself with the Yankees or Mets. I think the same processes are at work with issue-oriented advertising. |
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Lance Blair M&M

Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 2281 Location: Atlanta
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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I have no problems doing political spots. Someone is going to do them and do them well enough to make the make the candidate or cause sound attractive.
BTW, who ever did Cindy McCain's introductory video last night said "lay-ee-zahn" for liaison. _________________ Skype: globalvoiceover
and now, http://lanceblairvo.com the blog is there now too! |
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