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Claire Dodin
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 2:55 pm    Post subject: ssssss Reply with quote

Hi guys,

I'm having a little problem of sibilances, my ssss resonate too much and I don't really know what button to touch which way on my dbx286A.
I'm worried I'll do something really wrong so I though one of you would know.

I imagine it's the de-esser but there are two buttons and I'm not sure which one. currently the frequency is on the third bar after 4k and the threshold on 1

Also, someone told me that my low frequencies sound strange and that it is due to my TLM103; apparently the frequency problem can be corrected but I've no idea how.

here's a link with a short sample so you can hear: http://www.clairedodin.com/#/essay/4532372319

Thanks a lot!
I know I haven't been here much recently. I appreciate your help!

Claire.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Claire:

Low end sounds good to me, just a touch of de-essing would help though.
I can give you a little guidance, but it's something that must be fine-tuned in person, or by having someone listen via ISDN or Source Connect while you adjust it until it sounds right. The frequency should be 10-11Khz range, and the threshold you can try around the 11 o'clock setting.

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks George!
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DBX 286a De-Esser setting "starting point."

Frequency - Set to about 5K

Threshold - While making "ssss" sounds in the mic, turn up until you get the desired amount of control over the high frequencies.

The room sounds very small. Try moving the mic into a "double off axis": about 30° off to your side and on at 30° Like this:
(The Mic capsule should be at cheek level and aimed at your mouth)


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mike,
I will try the de-esser and move the position of the mic.
I also think that the room sounds small, which bothers me, but the room is small and is my only option right now.
Do you think that adding something like a reflexion filter would help with that? There's pretty much no room left on the walls for Auralex.

Thanks! Laugh
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I think I've solved the sss problem, but the room still sound very small.
I do have a corner behind me on the ceiling that is free of everything.
Do you think that if I put a bass trap like this one it would help? : http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EliteCT45Ob/
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How big is your space now?
Pictures always help.

I would put rigid fiberglass wideband panel on the wall. What are treating the space with now?
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My booth is 34inc wide x 92 inch long x 95 inch high.
Auralex foam on the walls, nothing on ceiling, Auralex foam bass trap in one of the corners behind the mic.
I added a couple of pictures on the link http://www.clairedodin.com/#/essay/4532372319
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The foam is controlling echos but it's not doing anything for the room resonance and modal build up which is why you have a sibilant problem in that space.

You need Rigid fiberglass on the walls, and lost of it with those dimensions.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, it's a small closet which I treated for Claire a few years ago before I understood all of the finer points of modal resonance and proper bass-trapping technique (which I still probably don't fully understand). Claire, you certainly could benefit from some ATSacoustics.com panels in there, which are denser than foam and can better control the low frequency resonance issue. A 2x4' 4" thick at the wall behind you, in front of you, and an open backed 2x4' 4" panel overhead would be a fantastic upgrade.

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much guys! Smile
George, I think that you did a terrific job when you came over considering what we had to work with. My clients have never complained, it was perfect for what I needed. But now I'd like to upgrade my sound which I do every so often. I've grown to hear the little imperfections.
I love the link you gave me, it's cheap and seems very good.
Mike offered his help over the phone too.
So I know I'm going to be sorted very soon!

Thank you so much!!!

Claire.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

soundgun wrote:
Mike, it's a small closet which I treated for Claire a few years ago before I understood all of the finer points of modal resonance and proper bass-trapping technique (which I still probably don't fully understand).


It is a mystery that most never fully understand. Like I say below: "Acoustics is counter-intuitive. If one thing is certain about acoustics, it is that if anything seems obvious it is probably wrong."

Claire - I can build you up some really nice panels that will contour to the room- for about the same money or come up with a simpler solution.

I do see one problem in your pictures, that needs to be eliminated immediately.
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