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Lizden A Zillion
Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 8861 Location: The dark recesses of my mind
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: A question of "tone" |
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Question to all my telephony peeps:
Whenever I see a prompt that ends with "....and we'll get back to you at our earliest convenience." it always seems to me a bit like saying "we'll get back to you whenever we damn well please / whenever we get around to it."
I know it's supposed to be a "polite" phrasing but it sounds wrong to me.
Is it just me? _________________ Liz de Nesnera O.A.V. ~ Livin' The VO Dream!
English/French Bilingual VO w/ ISDN
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todd ellis A Zillion
Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Posts: 10512 Location: little egypt
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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i take it the same way - especially when i'm on the line and here it as a customer. i like "as soon as possible" better.
then again - i don't write 'em - i just say them out loud! _________________ "i know philip banks": todd ellis
who's/on/1st?
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Lizden A Zillion
Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 8861 Location: The dark recesses of my mind
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, I say 'em as I see 'em, but it just always rings "off" to me. _________________ Liz de Nesnera O.A.V. ~ Livin' The VO Dream!
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Mike Harrison M&M
Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that it sounds wrong, Liz. 'At our earliest convenience' literally says they'll return the call when they've cleared every other little thing from their plate, no matter how trivial.
From some scripts I've seen here and there, it sometimes appears business communication pieces are written by folks who really don't have a good grasp on the meaning of their phraseology, saying things they perhaps don't really mean*. If the owner or president of the company whose messages you're recording were to see or hear that 'our earliest convenience' bit, they'd probably hit the ceiling. That is, unless it's a company (like Verizon) that doesn't seem to care what customers or clients think.
*Not quite the same thing, but on the radio station I work for on weekends, a script written for one of the air personalities to promote a personal appearance they were doing had the personality beginning the spot: "Hi, I'm {air personality}. Join myself this Thursday at..."
I was embarrassed that it aired during my shift.
"Join myself?!?!" Gee, I'm sorry you were dismembered. This was clearly written by someone who is NOT a writer, but someone who was merely (and obviously barely) capable of putting words on paper. There's a big difference, and there's a lot of that kind of thing these days. _________________ Mike
Male Voice Over Talent
I have taken leave of my sensors.
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Lizden A Zillion
Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 8861 Location: The dark recesses of my mind
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Ha!
I'm glad it's not me!
_________________ Liz de Nesnera O.A.V. ~ Livin' The VO Dream!
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ccpetersen With a Side of Awesome
Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 3708 Location: In Coherent
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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I always grit my teeth at "Please stay on the line, we'll be with you momentarily."
I think that this does not mean what they think it means. |
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Jeffrey Kafer Assistant Zookeeper
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 4931 Location: Location, Location!
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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You're right, Liz, and the phrase was not meant to be used in the way they are using it. It's meant for the requestor to say, "Please get back to me at your earliest convenience." In other words, I'm being polite by not demanding your immediate attention to this matter, but merely when it's convenient for you. _________________ Jeff
http://JeffreyKafer.com
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Lizden A Zillion
Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 8861 Location: The dark recesses of my mind
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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I KNOW, right, Jeff?
THAT'S the way it's SUPPOSED to be used!
I feel like a dinosaur sometimes. _________________ Liz de Nesnera O.A.V. ~ Livin' The VO Dream!
English/French Bilingual VO w/ ISDN
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Frank F Fat, Old, and Sassy
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 4421 Location: Park City, Utah
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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"I'll get back to you on that" Liz.
Any better?
Or, "When you are old enough we will discuss it further." We all use these lines and it does not matter what "tone" we use; it just sounds bad.
Try this one out for size; "I will call you back as soon as possible". Someday (or as Three Dog Night put it: Someday Never Comes), maybe, when I get around to it,
Talk to you next year if not sooner.
Frank F _________________ Be thankful for the bad things in life. They opened your eyes to the good things you weren't paying attention to before. email: thevoice@usa.com |
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heyguido MMD
Joined: 31 Aug 2011 Posts: 2507 Location: RDU, the Geek Capitol of the South
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Mike's right. There are just too many people these days who can't put two words together and complete a thought well enough to communicate it to someone else....
and the twit/faces aren't helping, either.
Let us salute the wordsmiths.... sadly, a vanishing breed. _________________ Don Brookshire
"Wait.... They wanna PAY me for this?" |
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Mike Harrison M&M
Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:15 am Post subject: |
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heyguido wrote: | and the twit/faces aren't helping, either |
Thank you, Don!
I understand the character limit for tweets creates the need for brevity, and the digital shorthand that was born of it. And smartphone text messages would take considerable time if everything was spelled out. Yep, the messages can be understood by those who 'get it.'
But too often today – apart from these scenarios – people are spelling words in work-related or other important documents based solely on how they hear those words. Hence, we have some of the words and phrases we've already discussed in other threads; the three that immediately come to mind are: could of, should of, and would of.
Now, I'm no genius. Well, OK, I was reading at 7th grade level in the 4th grade, but my grades - all the way through to graduation - were just *average*. I failed my share of tests. But I learned - probably back in fourth grade or earlier that a contraction can be something other than the tightening/shortening of one or more muscles.
I wonder if those who use could of instead of could've know what can't or won't are all about. This is simple shit.
If I receive a printed message or one in text form, and misspellings cause me to wonder what in blazes the author means, I'm going to ask them what they mean. But if it gets to this point, requiring another message, a phone call, or a face-to-face meeting in order to be told "that's what I mean," what does that say for that person's ability to communicate effectively?
Yes, the chief drawback of the dictionary is that we essentially have to know how a word is spelled – or at least come close – so we can look it up to see how it's spelled. But perish the thought of actually learning new words along the way.
Arthur: Gloria, I would like you to meet Hobson, my best friend in the world.
Hobson: I relish the compliment. It's thrilling to meet you, Gloria.
Gloria: (feebly) Hiii
Hobson: Yes. You obviously have a wonderful economy with words, Gloria. I look forward to your next syllable... with great eagerness. _________________ Mike
Male Voice Over Talent
I have taken leave of my sensors.
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Lee Gordon A Zillion
Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 6855 Location: West Hartford, CT
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Yep, Mike, your prolly right. _________________ Lee Gordon, O.A.V.
Voice President of the United States
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Twitter: @LeeGordonVoice
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melissa eX MMD
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Lee Gordon A Zillion
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:27 am Post subject: |
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"Your call is very important to us." (But not important enough for us to have a real, live person answer it.) _________________ Lee Gordon, O.A.V.
Voice President of the United States
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Twitter: @LeeGordonVoice
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mcm Smart Kitteh
Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 2600 Location: w. MA, USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Liz, I also would like to rewrite this sript: "All of our associates are assisting other customers".
I don't want to hear about "other customers" - I am the only one who matters!
"All of our associates are scrambling to see who can get to you first; please hold while we sort out this tangle of arms and legs" would be preferable. |
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