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Philip Banks
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 5:38 am    Post subject: Wrong way around! Reply with quote

For some months I have been offering, mostly free, sometimes at a price, information relevant to our business. My degree of success? Underwhelming in terms of interest yet an unprecedented success in proving something about which I'd rather have been wrong, to the degree "I was convinced that Dwayne Johnson was an Austrian Prima Ballerina."

The best question I have ever been asked at a job interview?

"Do you want the job, Philip?" I thought for moment.

"No, not really."

Both of our lives were better for the truth.

"Dave, you are a great voice over coach; do I stand a chance in the world of voice acting?"

"Statistically, no. How much money and time are you prepared to lose in order to discover whether I am wrong or not?"

Full disclosure - From having the idea about testing the VO market to seeing some meaningful money hit my bank account I gave voice over work 2 years and my investment (no coaching and no home studio) less than $1,000 .
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Bish
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are actively subverting an entire industry of people who see their own "success in voiceover" measured by how much money they can take from other voiceover talent.

Well done. Keep it up!
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Philip Banks
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little while ago I joined my friend. Rachel Ashley on her podcast as "other person" for an audience of several.

"Oh there's so much more to talk about, like voice coaches, but we better not go there" giggled Rachel

CUE Bond Villain

"Oh but we SHOULD!"

If anyone is interested (trust me, you're not) link is below. Duration about an hour it'll just seem longer. Bring tea and cake.

https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/rachel-ashleys/rachel-ashleys-your-turn-the-LTB9iPzesd0/
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chrisvoco
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2021 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
How much money and time are you prepared to lose in order to discover whether I am wrong or not?


Fortunately for me, it did not take much money nor very much time to determine that. I paid a small bit of money and attended a thing, and a bit later paid a bit more money to be insulted and abused* a few times via telephone, wound up feeling thoroughly like a fish out of water (or maybe actually in the mouth of the albatross), and decided I did not have the stuff to do it. So, I stayed in my more regular career and it's all turned out for the best.

I consider mine a success story, with as much a happy ending as any.


* = It was not Phillip who insulted and abused me, it was someone else.
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Philip Banks
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were I to start a VO Group somewhere it would be named "Cognitive Dissonance VO International." Open evenings and weekends, all members would be free to play and pontificate with the 1 rule "Do No Harm!" nailed to the door.

Want to pursue Voice Over work as a career? If you have a wealthy spouse or partner, personal wealth or a Trust Fund then do it, it'll be fun! Iffin y'all don't, get as well qualified in something as soon as possible then get a day job with H&R. On weekends and in the evenings be T.J Bhopal-Hiroshima III "The voice of Lurve".

There is an odd and inexplicable minority who are interested in "Who is THAT voice?" Some are real people, the rest are aspiring Voice Actors/Overs. Actors are people, Overs consist of six consecutive legal deliveries bowled from one end of a cricket pitch to the player batting at the other end, almost always by a single bowler. So most of us are simply 6 balls short of a Wicket.

To be an Actor one needs training, talent and luck or the wealthy other half in order to pay for the things in life like food and shelter. Few will ever get to that point. To be an Over you need a delivery that will take a Wicket and not be hit for 6. Options unappealing to any right thinking person.

Training, coaching and mentoring is unnecessary for those able to do the job and pointless for those who lack the inner weirdness.

I read and hear of so many people doing something (else) as an investment in their career. If it is an investment, set up a mechanism to measure the return. If one claims to be part of the Voice Over/Acting business one can not ignore the last word BUSINESS. Voice over hobby/distraction/toy? There are no rules, do as you please and enjoy every minute.

Do we also need a defence mechanism? Yes. A TV Evangelist knows why he needs another $30 million private jet but will never understand that your priority is to feed your family. We need to listen very carefully to the VO Evangelist who knows why their next great thing is worth the money yet is unable to point to one successful student and for the most part talks only in motivational quotes.

Looking to change your life? Ask me about "Forensic Listening!" I'll Skype y'all and it'll cost nothing. Luv ya!

Why?

Because yesterday is history and tomorrow is a mystery!
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Lee Gordon
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisvoco wrote:
It was not Philip who insulted and abused me,


Well, give the man a chance.
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Matto
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philip Banks wrote:
Options unappealing to any right thinking person.


I got it

Philip, if you are interested in opening up an online school that teaches entirely through cricket analogies - I'm available as a teacher on contract.

Consider this my application:

It is better to voice around rather than over the wicket.
Wiser to be dismissed at silly mid off, rather than long off
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Philip Banks
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have a business in the making! - Voiceover Wisden
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Bish
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Special classes dealing with talking and eating cake simultaneously.
2) Basic instruction on shouting "How was that? unintelligibly.
3) All classes will last five days and participants will wear white. (anyone expecting one day while wearing colourful pyjamas will be excluded).
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Philip Banks
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Podcasts! All available on Long Wave only.

Every Nov 5th we will burn effigies of Kerry Packer, J Michael Collins, a Ginger from LA and anyone who has ever been honored and proud to finally be able to reveal...

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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2021 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am pre-ignoring this entire thread because Britishness.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More time for you to drink Tea. Obvs. Wise decision.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2021 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...Participants will be encouraged to post #IDidAThing on all social media accounts
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2021 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Natalie! Good to “see” you. I’m glad to read you’ve been tackling the road to recovery with humor and good spirits!

All the best,
Bruce
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2021 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philip Banks wrote:
More time for you to drink Tea. Obvs. Wise decision.


Obvs. Ind.
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