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Patricia Shanks Contributor III

Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 98 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: MY NEW RULE |
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My new rule - If your audition copy makes my teeth hurt, I pass.
Who writes these things?
Copywriter: Let's see. Those two consonants should never be found next to each other. So let's go ahead and put them together, anyway.
One time my front teeth banged together so hard I got a headache!
Sheesh. _________________ Patricia Shanks
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ccpetersen With a Side of Awesome

Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 3708 Location: In Coherent
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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You know, as a copywriter AND VO, I should know better, but occasionally I still find myself writing such things as "the next steps..."
then I read them out loud and remember why they don't work well together. It's too easy to get wrapped up in the substance of the "message" and that's when these teeth-bangers come clattering out on the screen.... _________________ Charter Member: Threadjackers Local 420 |
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Bruce Boardmeister

Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 7978 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, all the writers who never read their stuff out loud. Sheeesh.
And the ones who say they did read it out loud, "I swear!"
"So you read this 225 word commercial in 60 seconds?"
"Yeah."
(I then motor through it and get it to 1:18 and editing breaths and gaps out we can get it to 1:12) "You don't suppose the stations will sell you 72 second slots?"
"I guess not. OK, let's cut some copy. (moments later) We can take out these two words. How much time is that?"
"A half a second."
"Oh."
--- I've had the above conversation or something like it soooo many times I couldn't count.
Hey, it's a living.
B _________________ VO-BB Member #31 Enlisted June, 2005
I'm not a Zoo, but over the years I've played one on radio/TV. . |
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Frank F Fat, Old, and Sassy

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 4421 Location: Park City, Utah
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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I have trained my clients well. Since I refuse to say a certain word - regularly (I hate that word in high energy car commercials... I digress) - they know I will pass on the spot rather than read the usage.
When I get "teeth clangers" I slow down say each word precisely and move on. It only takes a couple of reads during mic levels tests and they usually get the hint ---"Ooooh, I think we need to rewrite the copy to get this down to :30 seconds", is what I usually hear. I do not even have to say anything.
Toodles
F2 _________________ Be thankful for the bad things in life. They opened your eyes to the good things you weren't paying attention to before. email: thevoice@usa.com |
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 13023 Location: Camp Cooper
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Today's: "...the same open hearths that warmed our American ancestors."
"hearths that"
meh. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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asnively Triple G

Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 3204 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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For me today it wasn't the teeth, but the whole rest of the mouth!
"...like Gwyneth Paltrow, Heather Locklear, and Gwen Stefani." _________________ the Amy Snively family of brands for all your branded thing needs.
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CherylFall Guest
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: I feel your pain... |
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Poorly-written scripts are definitely a pain in the you-know-what. But, I feel super-sorry for the foreign language talents I work with who are voicing a translated script. No matter how many times I pound on the linguist to watch for tongue-twisters and beg them to read the script out lout to themsleves and not in their head, I still end up with talent falling over their lines, crying "Who translated this piece of junk!" |
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asnively Triple G

Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 3204 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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(Welcome, Cheryl!) _________________ the Amy Snively family of brands for all your branded thing needs.
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Cheryl, Welcome to the family. |
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Lizden A Zillion

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 8864 Location: The dark recesses of my mind
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: I feel your pain... |
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CherylFall wrote: | But, I feel super-sorry for the foreign language talents I work with who are voicing a translated script. ....I still end up with talent falling over their lines, crying "Who translated this piece of junk!" |
I resemble that remark!
Welcome Cheryl!
Liz _________________ Liz de Nesnera O.A.V. ~ Livin' The VO Dream!
English/French Bilingual VO w/ ISDN
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Edo Guest
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Cheryl, welcome to the throats department! |
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CarynClark MMD

Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 2697 Location: Fort Myers, FL
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Hi Cheryl! Welcome!
Frank, I hate the word "regularly" also! I've not refused to say it, however. Maybe someday...
I can relate to the teeth banging. Have had that happen! _________________ Caryn Clark... The Hip Chick Voice!
"A positive mental attitude and having faith in your ability is quite different from being irresponsible and downright stupid." - Dave |
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imaginator The Thirteenth Floor

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 1348 Location: raleigh, nc
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: |
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i don't mind "regularly", "opportunity", or "community", but require an extra five seconds to make them work properly.
and i'm right with bruce on the helpful "edits". ("how about if we take out this 'and' and that 'or'? will that save us ten seconds?")
my usual suggestion...and i have to be careful which clients i use it with...is to have them go back and print the script out in a smaller font so the copy fits.
i had one guy almost start off to do that before he got it. definitely a "print" man....luckily with a sense of humour. _________________ rowell gormon
www.voices2go.com
"Mr. Warm & Friendly Voice...with Character!"
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Lee Gordon A Zillion

Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 6864 Location: West Hartford, CT
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: |
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imaginator wrote: | "how about if we take out this 'and' and that 'or'? will that save us ten seconds?" |
There have been occasions when the agency producer in the control room has been astounded when I have suggested that we can make the read go faster by adding a word such as an "and" or an "or" because the pause necessary to imply the meaning of certain words, especially articles or conjunctions, actually takes longer than simply verbalizing them. _________________ Lee Gordon, O.A.V.
Voice President of the United States
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Lance Blair M&M

Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 2281 Location: Atlanta
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