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Living Culture Contributore Level V

Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 189 Location: Taipei
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:43 pm Post subject: first timers website |
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I just uploaded my site last week, and have been making changes to it as people criticise it... This was my first attempt at designing an entire site, so is full of little (and not so little) bugs.
Take a look at http://lcmsmedia.com
Any comments, suggestions, critique or single malt scotch would be appreciated.
Thanks
ps: Is anybody having trouble with the samples page? No one here has mentioned it, but my friends and family have said some don't work on their browsers. They all work on my Firefox, but take a while to load. I am looking at using java player, but I want to be sure that will fix the problem before I start rewriting the code.
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Pierce Contributor II

Joined: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 51 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just jumping into the world of Dreamweaver design with my own site... I know this stuff can be tricky.
The first thing that stands out is the constant repetition of the side navigation's animation... becomes pretty fatiguing. It's cool, but a little distracting, ya know?
More to come! _________________ Chadd Pierce
PierceVoice.com
studio@piercevoice.com |
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louzucaro The Gates of Troy

Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 1915 Location: Chicago area
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
Yeah, I agree that the animated graphics of the level indicators are annoying. Also, that background is pretty busy and headache-inducing if you ask me.
Overall, to be honest, it comes across much more as "hobbyist" than "professional" and if I went to a site that looks that way wondering if I should be giving them money, I would immediately think "No"
I think the Services page has too much text overall, and some of your section headers are inconsistently styled.
Also, your textnav at the bottom is missing a link for F.A.Q. as it appears at left in the main nav, so you may want to add that.
On the home page, your main content area doesn't line up with the width of your header graphic, whereas it does (or is at least only a couple pixels off) on some of the other pages, so that would probably be a place to get a bit more consistency.
Watch your resampling of logos and other images...make sure you're doing this as pre-processing and not on the fly by changing image dimensions, since you can't scale bitmapped graphics that way and have them look good. And if you did pre-process them to size, do it again with a program that works
I think you might also benefit from going through all your text and either eliminating a lot of it, or finding other ways to present it that aren't so "messy" looking. Pages like the Rates page, with all the tables with their default borders, etc., are really difficult to read.
The link to your Contact page seems to be broken (I was on the F.A.Q. page and clicked Contact and it went to a non-existent page...looks like the link is pointing to a file on your computer).
Finally, and this is very nit-picky, but your company name is Living Culture Media Solutions, but your URL is lcmsmedia.com, which might lead some people to believe that your company is actually Living Culture Media Solutions Media (kinda like TCBY Yogurt).
Good luck! _________________ Lou Zucaro
http://www.voicehero.com
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Living Culture Contributore Level V

Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 189 Location: Taipei
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:54 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice. I'll look into some of these. Unfortunately my lack of coding ability makes some fixes a no no.
Quote: | Yeah, I agree that the animated graphics of the level indicators are annoying. Also, that background is pretty busy and headache-inducing if you ask me. |
Yea.. They do seem to be distracting. Originally I only wanted them to flash on mouseovers, but I am still figuring out how to do that.
Quote: | Overall, to be honest, it comes across much more as "hobbyist" than "professional" and if I went to a site that looks that way wondering if I should be giving them money, I would immediately think "No" |
Damn, I am hoping not to redo the whole site from scratch.
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I think the Services page has too much text overall, and some of your section headers are inconsistently styled. |
It is a bit lengthy. I will seperate the services into different markets later. I did it this way because I thought i was going to get a 5 page hosting plan, but then I changed to another host.
The section headers (as well as some other text) have been bothering me. NVU has been greying out some font options in places and I have no idea why.
Quote: | Also, your textnav at the bottom is missing a link for F.A.Q. as it appears at left in the main nav, so you may want to add that. |
Will do. I just added the FAQ page and must still make the changes
Quote: | Watch your resampling of logos and other images...make sure you're doing this as pre-processing and not on the fly by changing image dimensions, since you can't scale bitmapped graphics that way and have them look good. And if you did pre-process them to size, do it again with a program that works  |
Ahhhh! Is that it! I indeed did do all resizing in NVU itself. But now that I know what sizes I want them to be, I will re-edit everything. Many thanks for pointing that out.
Quote: | I think you might also benefit from going through all your text and either eliminating a lot of it, or finding other ways to present it that aren't so "messy" looking. Pages like the Rates page, with all the tables with their default borders, etc., are really difficult to read. |
What part is messy? The inconsisitency of fonts, spacings? I thought the tables made it look cleaner than plain text and numbers. But maybe making invisible borders would be better.
Quote: | The link to your Contact page seems to be broken (I was on the F.A.Q. page and clicked Contact and it went to a non-existent page...looks like the link is pointing to a file on your computer). |
I noticed this today. It was working 2 or 3 days ago. I updated it and used Cpanels "web disk" which makes the changes directly from my HDD. This time thw link seems to have gone back to original file on pc.
Quote: | Finally, and this is very nit-picky, but your company name is Living Culture Media Solutions, but your URL is lcmsmedia.com, which might lead some people to believe that your company is actually Living Culture Media Solutions Media (kinda like TCBY Yogurt). |
Personally, I don't think this is a problem. I have seen many companies do this. Even to the point where it becomes the unofficial name. My reason for this though, was my primary market is the Chinese market and aimed at people who may speak little or no English. So lcmsmedia was about the best compromise I could think of for ease of use and still represent the name. As much as I wanted livingculturemedia.com, I think it would not be easy for non-English people to remember and type. (in case you wondering, the Chinese translation will be up soon)
Thanks for detailed analysis. I was hoping I could just get it done with and start doing things are actually fun, but seems much more time need to be spent on this. |
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bransom DC

Joined: 06 Nov 2008 Posts: 650 Location: St. Louis, MO
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Quick notes without getting too in-depth:
Kill the background. Very distracting. Use a single color or gentle gradient but no repeating blocks.
Kill the flashing buttons. If you want them to animate only on rollover, use a javascript image swap to swap a static image with the animated one.
No underlining except for links.
Use consistent case for headlines ... usually for heads, it's title case.
No Times New Roman. Some sites work with serif fonts but yours doesn't in its current state.
Center the layout. Left justified is okay on a small screen. I use a 24" monitor and it looks weird
As a rule, think clean, simple and consistent.
Hope this helps. |
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Living Culture Contributore Level V

Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 189 Location: Taipei
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, I was working on some of your points as I read your message. I am busy uploading slightly modified version now.
I was trying to use gradient fill over background, but have not achieved the desired effect yet. The rollover I am still trying to understand.
Quote: | No Times New Roman. Some sites work with serif fonts but yours doesn't in its current state. |
??? There shouldn't be any Times New Roman anywhere. I only used Garamond and Helvetica.
Quote: | Center the layout. Left justified is okay on a small screen. |
How do you mean? I made the entire page smaller as some people with nb's complained about vertical scrolling. How would I make the whole page center for browsing? |
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Mike Cooper Contributor

Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 42 Location: Asheville, NC
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Don't hate me, but my first impression is that it looks dated (I'm running away as I type…)
I think it's a combination of what others have said above about the colours and the fonts.
Ten years ago it was quite cool to design a site with lots of colours, animations, repeating backgrounds and so on. Nowadays we tend to be a bit less "busy" with design. Less is more… More white space. Let the content speak, etc. _________________ MIKE COOPER VOICEOVER |
The guy next door. Only better. And British.
web: www.MikeCooperVoiceover.com
twitter: www.twitter.com/MikeCooper |
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Living Culture Contributore Level V

Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 189 Location: Taipei
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Don't hate me, but my first impression is that it looks dated |
Now I'm torn...I always take "that looks retro" as a compliment.
I really liked the background, but the more I look at it, the more I think it has a "myspace" page look. |
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bransom DC

Joined: 06 Nov 2008 Posts: 650 Location: St. Louis, MO
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:01 am Post subject: |
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If a user doesn't have Garamond loaded, the page will default to their serif default font. In a practical sense on Windows machines, that means Times.
I agree with Mike: Overall, the site looks dated. I suggest browsing [url]faveup.com[/url] and looking at the CSS sites for an overview on current look/feel trends. |
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Jeffrey Kafer Assistant Zookeeper

Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 4931 Location: Location, Location!
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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bransom wrote: |
Kill the flashing buttons. If you want them to animate only on rollover, use a javascript image swap to swap a static image with the animated one. |
javascript rollovers are too slow. Use CSS. _________________ Jeff
http://JeffreyKafer.com
Voice-overload Web comic: http://voice-overload.com |
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louzucaro The Gates of Troy

Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 1915 Location: Chicago area
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Living Culture"] Quote: | Don't hate me, but my first impression is that it looks dated | [quote]
Although, you know, "retro" is often good, whereas "dated" seldom is  _________________ Lou Zucaro
http://www.voicehero.com
"Well, yeah, there's my favorite leaf!" |
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Living Culture Contributore Level V

Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 189 Location: Taipei
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Thanks again for the valuable advice.
I made the gif animation slower to be less distracting. At least until I can get the Java coding right. CSS....I don't know anything about, except that it exists.
Also, I managed to change some of the "unchangeable" fonts using Cpanels editor, which seems to be a lot more user friendly than I originally thought.
The background I am working on toning down. Using same theme, but with a solid layer over it and either blurring or feathering it. Only thing now is, then it would need to be one bmp for background. I'm not sure what size that should be. My original size (about 1024 pixels) people were complaining about having to scroll vertically and with my current size (800pixels) seems too small for some monitors.
I did get the flash player right, which makes me happy. The embedded files were very inconsistent. |
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louzucaro The Gates of Troy

Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 1915 Location: Chicago area
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Living Culture wrote: | ??? There shouldn't be any Times New Roman anywhere. I only used Garamond and Helvetica. |
You probably shouldn't specify Garamond or Helvitca as fonts, pretty much ever, unless you also specify generic font classes (serif, sans-serif) or backup fonts (Arial, Trebuchet) too.
The reason is that Garamond and Helvetica are not standard fonts on Windows systems (the vast majority of computers online) and so without substitutes, your site won't display the way you want it to or even close, probably, especially since IE will default to Times New Roman given no other workable font definition, and Times New Roman is "bigger" per point / font size than most of the other fonts mentioned here.
Also, it appears that your CSS is all inline and broken up into individual declarations (color, font, size, etc.) and repeated for each instance of a font. This is very inefficient as it creates pages that are much larger than they need to be (a negligable issue with high-speed connections, really) and more importantly, makes it MUCH more time consuming and difficult for you to make font changes vs. using a centralized / external CSS file. _________________ Lou Zucaro
http://www.voicehero.com
"Well, yeah, there's my favorite leaf!" |
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Living Culture Contributore Level V

Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 189 Location: Taipei
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | You probably shouldn't specify Garamond or Helvitca as fonts, pretty much ever, unless you also specify generic font classes (serif, sans-serif) or backup fonts (Arial, Trebuchet) too |
It seems the ones I changed in Cpanel itself have font family options for subbing, but I don't see anything in NVU.
Quote: | Also, it appears that your CSS is all inline and broken up into individual declarations (color, font, size, etc.) and repeated for each instance of a font. This is very inefficient as it creates pages that are much larger than they need to be (a negligable issue with high-speed connections, really) and more importantly, makes it MUCH more time consuming and difficult for you to make font changes vs. using a centralized / external CSS file. |
Very true. But I do not know anything about CSS. Although not knowing much about HTML didn't stop me so far. It sounds like it could be a worthwhile option to make a CSS layout and redo everything there. Not too sure if the benfits would outweigh the time and learning curve though. |
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Living Culture Contributore Level V

Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 189 Location: Taipei
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: |
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OK...after a few more days more of hair pulling and swearing a lot, I learnt a bit of CSS. My upgraded site is now up. Still a lot of tweaking to be done as I don't know all the ins and outs of CSS yet. But please take a lot and give me your opinion.
Thanks for valuable insight so far.
Some things I have changed completely, like the font family and general positioning. Some of the other things I have just toned down, like the background and gifs. (I blame soundgun for my infatuation with the gifs, since I saw the animated XLR's on his site.)  |
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