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Rob Ellis M&M

Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: Playback volume level |
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At What volume level do set your monitors to listen to playback?
For example I listen at around 22 db, but of course when it's louder
(say around 15db) I usually like the sound better.
What volume level would you set it at to get the best idea of how a client (or agent) will hear it, and how it will sound to them.
Just wondering, and kind of doing a reality check on this. |
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bobsouer Frequent Flyer

Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 9883 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Rob,
I don't have a sound pressure meter or anything, so can't tell you a dB level; but I usally have the monitors turned so that I can hear myself clearly for editing. _________________ Be well,
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todd ellis A Zillion

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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mine goes to 11. _________________ "i know philip banks": todd ellis
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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I edit thru my headphones most of the time, but for demos, I check them out on my laptop's speakers, since that's how most people will be listening.
How do people sample audio with an iPhone? _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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Rob Ellis M&M

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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My normal monitors are pretty hi-fi, kind of like what you would expect a home stereo audiophile to have.
But I just tried listening to an audition through my laptop speakers and I think it actually sounds better to my ear through the laptop...go figure? |
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Bruce Boardmeister

Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 7978 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Over the years I've seen many recording studios that had a set of crappy little speakers in addition their hifi speakers. They'd often listen to finished audio through those too before sending it on, figuring that many eventual listeners don't have the best equipment in their cars and homes. If it sounded good on beat up KMart specials it should sound good everywhere else was the theory.
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Don G. King's Row

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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What Bruce said. At least that was our mindset when I was engineering for a living. We had a set of the ubiquitous Auratones ("Awfultones") for that very purpose. But I took it one step further and would put the old Studer 2 track's built-in monitor speaker on input and check final spot mixes through it. |
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Mike Sommer A Hundred Dozen

Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 1222 Location: Boss Angeles
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: Playback volume level |
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Rob Ellis wrote: | For example I listen at around 22 db, but of course when it's louder(say around 15db) I usually like the sound better. |
It all depends on what your room is doing to the sound coming from your speakers, and where you are located in your listening environment.
At risk of having everyone rolling there eyes at me, or saying there he goes again -I'll simply state that your production/listening area needs almost as much treatment as your recording area, i.e., absorption.
So what's happening by turning up your monitors, you're probably trying to compensate (unknowingly) for the effects of the room.
As an example in my studio, not only can I discern the slightest increases of gain but I can recognize the the slightest degree of pan. Treatment also helps with the transparency and the depth of the sound coming from your speakers. This is often why people say the monitors they just bought sounded so good at the store but sound like crap when they get them home. They then go on and blame the monitors and everything else, when it's actually the room that's causing the problem. Especially since it's been found that many of the popular near field monitors on the market today are very similarly voiced.
I find that Auratones are very helpful in fine tuning a mix. They are designed to sound like a clock radio or the speaker in a TV on purpose. If a mix sounds good on an Aurotone, it will more than likely sound good on anything any where.
One of the biggest things most people don't take the time to do, is learn how their "studio monitors mix" compares or sounds on other speakers and systems. This is why when I mix something I'm always taking the time to liten to it on the Aurotons, in the car, Hi FI, other peoples systems and even on my cheap TV. This way, I always know how something will play on any speaker or system. _________________ The Blog:
http://voiceoveraudio.blogspot.com/
Acoustics are counter-intuitive. If one thing is certain about acoustics, it is that if anything seems obvious it is probably wrong.
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georgethetech The Gates of Troy

Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 1878 Location: Topanga, CA
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Rob, those dB figures you mentioned, on what device are those numbers being derived from? They are extremely low values. Usually the db figures are measured with an SPL meter, which you can get for around $50. Anything over 90db for any extended period, and you are welcoming hearing damage.
For reasons stated by Mike, this is why I don't recommend a voice actor mixing and producing anything with music in their home studios, unless all of those issues are addressed. You know what your own voice should sound like, so the need for critical room tuning if you are just cutting your voice and sending it off isn't so important. Falling back on headphones never hurts so you can hear subtle things you might otherwise miss. _________________ If it sounds good, it is good.
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Rob Ellis M&M

Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:57 am Post subject: |
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Actually it is -22, (left out the minus earlier), as indicated
on the output on my Apogee Duet and MOTU Ultralite.
On the MOTU it says it is in dbs |
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georgethetech The Gates of Troy

Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 1878 Location: Topanga, CA
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Rob:
Those figures are only relevant to your particular setup, as those dB values are relative to many factors in your system. Until you actually measure the SPL dB of the volume in your room, you won't have a way to compare figures with others. That's where an SPL meter comes in, like this one or this one. _________________ If it sounds good, it is good.
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Rob Ellis M&M

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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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George, I picked up the Sound Level Meter from Radio Shack. Thanks for the suggestion.
When setting the Weighting function, should I have it on A or C weighting?
A measures 500-10,000 HZ, and C measures 32-10,000 Hz range. |
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Mike Sommer A Hundred Dozen

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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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That would be the full spectrum Rob - "C" _________________ The Blog:
http://voiceoveraudio.blogspot.com/
Acoustics are counter-intuitive. If one thing is certain about acoustics, it is that if anything seems obvious it is probably wrong. |
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georgethetech The Gates of Troy

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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, what Mike said! Thanks Mike, glad you are there... _________________ If it sounds good, it is good.
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Mike Sommer A Hundred Dozen

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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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You know I got you back George _________________ The Blog:
http://voiceoveraudio.blogspot.com/
Acoustics are counter-intuitive. If one thing is certain about acoustics, it is that if anything seems obvious it is probably wrong. |
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