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SilverSurfer3001
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Okay, so it's been out for weeks now, and I just got round to seeing it.
Brilliant on many levels - notsomuch in voicing.
Why did all the Vikings in the movie speak with a HEAVY Scottish Brogue?
And why doesn't our resident Scot speak with such a brogue? Even a slight one?
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Why on earth would Vikings speak with any kind of brogue?
I am not fond of Dreamworks projects.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe they're using the idea that the nordic vikings stormed the coast of Scotland so many times, that a few Scots decided to go viking as well.
Remember, "Viking" is a pronoun. Just like others go "Pirate" something...
But then again, it's just a cartoon and guys in kilts must be Scots...
Wait, I wear a kilt... oh yah, right.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:14 am Post subject: Re: How to Train Your Dragon.... |
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| SilverSurfer3001 wrote: | | And why doesn't our resident Scot speak with such a brogue? Even a slight one? |
Jody,
I can't answer your other questions, but our resident Scot (Mr. Banks I presume you mean) lives in Scotland but is originally from the south of England.
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It's probably just a temporary aberration... There have been a couple of instances recently where the Scottish brogue has been used as the sound of marauding Vikings... if I remember correctly, there have been some credit card commercials that have used both Scottish and English accents for Vikings. It's almost as if the production decided to use the current public perception of what a Viking should sound like rather than something more historically accurate... as was said already... it's just a cartoon and I doubt that they were that concerned about accuracy as was Mel Gibson with his historical document "Braveheart" (by the way, that was sarcasm pointed at both its historical accuracy and Mel Gibson's accent).
More likely, they decided at the early stages of production that every Norwegian or Scandinavian accent they asked for ended up sounding like the Swedish Chef and chose another direction 
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I think it may be because the Scots are the fiercest human beings on the face of the earth. That might be what they're thinking of.
It's still lame to make Vikings talk all Scotch and stuff.
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Craig Ferguson is one of the Viking voices.
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| Monk wrote: |
Wait, I wear a kilt... oh yah, right. |
/hijack on
and ye look darned cute in it, too, laddie!!
/hijack off
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:20 am Post subject: Re: How to Train Your Dragon.... |
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| SilverSurfer3001 wrote: | | Why did all the Vikings in the movie speak with a HEAVY Scottish Brogue? |
Because Scottish voices are funnier?
I also seem to recall in "The Vikings" (1958) that Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis didn't sound like Vikings either.
But that's Hollywood for ya.
Reminds me of a line from the "Star Wars" spoof "Thumb Wars":
"Why do we all speak with British accents when we are from outer space and there is no Britain?"
If you want authentic dialects in film (esp. for animation) which are true to period and locale, your viewing options are rather limited. About the only one I can think of offhand is "Beowulf."
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Mike Sommer
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The Scottish brogue bothered me too. Though I did enjoyed the film far more than Avatar- especially after about a quarter of the way in, I figured out that Avatar was "Dances With Wolves" in space. Sorry, I digress.
In "dragon," I believe they were shooting for a Finnish accent, which to an untrained ear (or the completely stupid) maybe confused for a Scottish brogue because to the long "a" and sometimes rolling "r". But then again when you try to toughen up the Finn accent or make the accent more macho, it wants to slide into a brogue. So, I guess, they went with the Scottish accent because there is not a lot of information on the Finnish accent, and, not a lot of call for it either - unless your doing Lord of the Rings VO.
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| Mike Sommer wrote: | | ...especially a quarter of the way into the film I figured out that Avatar was "Dances With Wolves" in space. Sorry, I digress. |
It's also very similar to the plot of "Pocahontas."
But I also digress.
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| Mike Sommer wrote: | | I believe they were shooting for a Finish accent, which to an untrained ear (or the completely stupid) maybe confused for a Scottish brogue because to the long "a" and sometimes rolling "r". |
I've never mastered lip reading either. |
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And I can never keep my elusive roving "N's" in a row. 
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SilverSurfer3001
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I spose it would be hard to instill fear in a body with a sveeedish accent. Especially after the Muppets did such a fine job making it associable with Chef.
I kinda like to listen for accents, and I don't think I've ever mistook a Finnish speaker for Scottish.
Course it may to so with getting Gerard Butler as the Chieftain. Producers prolly figgered it would be easier to get the rest of the cast to speak Scottish than it would to get Mr Butler to speak anything other than Scot. SPAIRrrrrrTINS!!!!
And thanks Mr Souer. I just thought that Mr Banks had done the impossible and eliminated all traces of brogue. I think Scottish may be harder to shake than Southern.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| SilverSurfer3001 wrote: | | I just thought that Mr Banks had done the impossible and eliminated all traces of brogue. I think Scottish may be harder to shake than Southern. |
Also worth noting that we're not ALL Rob Roy or in the case of Jazz and Bess ....Black Bob!
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