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Bish 3.5 kHz

Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 3738 Location: Lost in the cultural wasteland of Long Island
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:36 am Post subject: iPad as a VO tool? |
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I've got myself an iPad, and was trying to justify its use in a VO environment. Certainly text handling and script viewing is a perfect use... but what about the audio capabilities?
Recording via the internal mic is a non-starter for obvious reasons, and the lack of external USB is a major hurdle for any real work... however, some enterprising souls have discovered that the iPad camera kit ($29) gives you more than the capability to connect a camera, it actually gives you a USB port (albeit with limited capability). You'll not be able to connect your mass-storage device as the iPad doesn't work with any "finder" capability so you can't view the disk (supposedly it will find images on the drive though). However, it will recognize a USB audio device. It will detect a USB microphone and use it instead of the internal... it will also support USB audio out and has been tested to work with various mics and headsets.
All we need now is a decent audio editing a that will supply the control needed to take a wave file and allow for some decent editing. There are some out there with limited capability which I shall investigate. There may be some issues with the granularity offered by touch control, however, although the iPad doesn't like a regular stylus, some of the drawing a s use ones that are designed to work on the capacitance principle that the iPad screen utilizes.
I think things will get very interesting, very soon. To be able to record a high quality wave, edit it (and export to mp3?), and then send it off via email or whatever is going to make the iPad a valuable tool, especially for recording on the road.
Thoughts? Opinions? ... or am I just a fanboy trying to justify his iPad purchase  _________________ Bish a.k.a. Bish
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Don G. King's Row

Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Posts: 1071 Location: MA
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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I love Macs and I can't even justify an iPad based on it doing what it was designed to do. In fact, I thought for a while that it would be great for my wife, but even the limited things she'd use it for would be better and easier done on a MacBook. So that's probably what I'll get her.
All that aside, you don't need to justify it as a business expense. Use it and enjoy it for what it is. You deserve it.  |
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whalewtchr Cinquecento

Joined: 18 Feb 2010 Posts: 582 Location: Savannah, GA
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Does it have voice capability on the "Book" reading capability? What is the quality of the voice option? _________________ jonahcummings |
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Bruce Boardmeister

Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 7977 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: |
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The best overall comment I've seen so far on the iPad is that it's great for consuming media, but not so hot for creating media.
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Mike Sommer A Hundred Dozen

Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 1222 Location: Boss Angeles
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:25 am Post subject: |
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+1 Bruce. _________________ The Blog:
http://voiceoveraudio.blogspot.com/
Acoustics are counter-intuitive. If one thing is certain about acoustics, it is that if anything seems obvious it is probably wrong. |
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Bish 3.5 kHz

Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 3738 Location: Lost in the cultural wasteland of Long Island
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:49 am Post subject: |
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A little digging shows that the iPad can record full 44.1 aif files at 16-bit. So raw quality shouldn't be a problem when used with a decent input signal. As far as I can see, it's all down to the applications now. As the iPad has only been out a few weeks, I think that the nascent application pool will start to show exponential growth. I'd place a strong bet that within three months or so there will be a usable wave editor (something like Audacity maybe).
There's no doubt that the iPad's immediate appeal is as a content consumption device, but I think there's a lot more to it than that. There's a lot of developers out there that want to make it as close to a laptop replacement as possible, and while that may be an unattainable goal (the lack of a visible file system may be a hindrance), there are plenty of vertical applications where it may carve a niche for itself. With the ability to record high quality audio when interfaced with an external mic, maybe mobile VO is one of them?
It's just food for thought really. Time will tell. _________________ Bish a.k.a. Bish
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Mike Sommer A Hundred Dozen

Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 1222 Location: Boss Angeles
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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I can see this happening. But really, it's just more stuff.
I've debated this with my Mac friends, most of whom are artist's. It comes down to power and functionality. We would rather have one tool that does many things very well. For now I would rather have a Macbook over an iPad. And I never get the first generation Mac "anything." There's always going to be big leaps forward with their products, in the next two years or so.
Just my 2¢ _________________ The Blog:
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Bish 3.5 kHz

Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 3738 Location: Lost in the cultural wasteland of Long Island
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Sommer wrote: | .... But really, it's just more stuff ... Just my 2¢ |
Never a truer word spoken... and probably worth a little more than the 2¢ you rated it
I'll be the first to say that I'm looking at this from my own personal, biased, perspective. I drive a big MacPro and have outfitted two of the kids with Mac Books (the third wanted a cheap netbook... go figure). I'm lusting after a 13" Unibody, but I cannot really justify it. I've got an old Dell laptop which just about works if I remember to re-gap the plugs and check the points each time I fire it up... it does the job in an emergency. I guess I bought the iPad because I've drunk the Kool-Aid, but I'm really enjoying it... I was intrigued to learn that there may be a way to use it as a mobile (emergency) production tool. The thought of it doing so has me wondering if the iPad is "The One"  _________________ Bish a.k.a. Bish
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Billy James Contributor II

Joined: 29 Mar 2010 Posts: 72 Location: Dreamland, USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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The real breakthrough will be when somebody releases the hardware/sw add-on to turn this into a portable digital audio workstation. I'm picturing a cradle that has a small preamp with an xlr connector in the back. It would use a bundled a to handle the recording functions via touchscreen. Tracks sync with a desktop machine for further editing. Would record at the full quality that the iPad is already capable of.
Picture the Apogee ONE with an iPad dock built in. Apogee --are you listening?
Of course if they are, it would work great but probably cost 3 times what the iPad sells for.
Posted from the porch on my iPad. |
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Mike Sommer A Hundred Dozen

Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 1222 Location: Boss Angeles
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Beau Weaver has one on his copy stand. Saves on paper and printer ink. _________________ The Blog:
http://voiceoveraudio.blogspot.com/
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georgethetech The Gates of Troy

Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 1878 Location: Topanga, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting, I had no idea you could shove a USB mic into the camera dock adapter and get it to work! Then why not use a Shure X2u adapter with a good mic? This is definitely hot news! Listen to Andy Ihnatko's audio samples...
And here's an audio recording a , /studiotrack/id362370888?mt=8" target="_blank" class="postlink">StudioTrack.
This elevates the usefulness of the iPad tremendously. _________________ If it sounds good, it is good.
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Bruce Boardmeister

Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 7977 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:35 am Post subject: |
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I hear they'll be adding USB and other features to the new 14" version coming out later this year...the Max iPad.
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Mel

Joined: 16 Dec 2009 Posts: 11 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Wow, USB recording does make it a viable option. I was thinking it would be good just for reading copy with the prompting a I already use on my iPhone. Now just to convince the other half I need it... |
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Bish 3.5 kHz

Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 3738 Location: Lost in the cultural wasteland of Long Island
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:22 am Post subject: |
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I didn't realize that we were so far down the iPad a route already! StudioTrack looks very interesting... maybe not suited to VO exactly (I still think a wave editor is a must), but we're getting there. I got the heads-up about the USB connectivity via Andy Ihnatko as well. Now I'd like to see a real world test of an external USB audio interface and StudioTrack (I would think they'll be jumping all over it). I'd be on it myself, but there seems to be a shortage of the camera adapters at the moment (2-3 week wait on-line, and my local Apple store is out of them). _________________ Bish a.k.a. Bish
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kjedlicka

Joined: 16 Jun 2008 Posts: 11 Location: Cape Coral, FL / Stratham, NH
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:29 am Post subject: |
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soundgun wrote: | Then why not use a Shure X2u adapter with a good mic? |
George,
Would the MicPort Pro work in this scenario as well? Does the Shure X2u have any advantages/disadvantages over the MicPort Pro?
Sorry for the threadjack...
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