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mcm Smart Kitteh

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 2600 Location: w. MA, USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:26 am Post subject: Skedule or shedule? |
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Do London business people (not newscasters) normally pronounce schedule with a "k" sound or without?
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voicy1stef The Gates of Troy

Joined: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 1799 Location: Lovely Hertfordshire, England
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:00 am Post subject: |
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I think
sheh jyule
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imaginator The Thirteenth Floor

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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:04 am Post subject: |
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as judy carne once noted on "laugh-in": that's how they were taught it in "shyule". _________________ rowell gormon
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bobsouer Frequent Flyer

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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Mary,
Every Brit I've ever met said it without the "k" sound, unless they were trying to do an "American" accent. _________________ Be well,
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mcm Smart Kitteh

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 2600 Location: w. MA, USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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I'm asking because some pronunciations I'm accustomed to thinking of as British are changing. I asked a British friend from York who works in London and he said:
Quote: | Well, I say 'skedule' - not sure why, but I've gravitated that way in the last decade or so. It sounds sharper, more precise (as schedules are supposed to be!) and less analogous to a shed (rather tatty cabin at the end of a garden in England). But I wouldn't blink at anyone who said 'shedule' - it's one of those words that are probably on the cusp of change in English pronunciation, but people are easy either way. |
Thanks for your thoughts! I dare say the client will let me know if I have made the wrong choice. I went with the tatty cabin, in the end. |
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Mike Harrison M&M

Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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When I'm faced with this type of situation, I always give the client what every politician wants: to have it both ways. I read the sentence twice and give them both pronunciations. That way, the client can audition both versions to their heart's content and decide which one they like. Thus, they won't have to book you again to record the line the other way. Some VOs might prefer to get the extra loot for pickups, but saving the client some time and money when possible can go a long way in a business relationship.  _________________ Mike
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mcm Smart Kitteh

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 2600 Location: w. MA, USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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One more comment - my friend's wife asked at work (University of York):
Quote: | I asked people at work today about skedule and shedule. They all said it didn't matter and most of them said skedule. |
LOL. |
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Diane Maggipinto Spreading Snark Worldwide

Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 6679 Location: saul lay seetee youtee
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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the critter control guy i called recently said shedule. but he sounded like a complete hayseed, utah-type accent and everything, so his pronunciation actually jarred me! _________________ sitting at #8, though not as present as I'd like to be. Hello!
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asnively Triple G

Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 3204 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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I was asked recently by a UK client to say "skedule" (or, more specifically, "skeduled maintenance" for an automotive repair training self-study eLearning module) because he said that it sounded "more modern."
Last time I recorded something for a UK audience, I was asked to say "shedule" (the whole script was in British English). This was for a British and American audience, so they used a British guy and me.
I recorded it both ways both times, just in case. _________________ the Amy Snively family of brands for all your branded thing needs.
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Lee Gordon A Zillion

Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 6864 Location: West Hartford, CT
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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mcm wrote: | my friend's wife asked at work (University of York)
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You can't necessarily judge how to read for a London audience by the way they pronounce things in York. Up there, they even say words like "grass" the same way we do. _________________ Lee Gordon, O.A.V.
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davidmonteath Lucky 700

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 755 Location: Buckinghamshire, UK
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:19 am Post subject: |
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Spot on Lee.
Its one of those daft things that clients ask for, usually without thinking it through. 'Can you do it American?, yes I can (ish), but where in America?.....Oh, you know, just American.
I am frequently asked to do Standard English.....but the clients idea of Standard English and mine are frequently very different. My US agent also sends me auditions which are marked 'British' but is that my British which is Scottish, or English???
In the UK, I find a lot of pony-tailed media types prefer to use a 'k' in schedule because they think it makes them sound more transatlantic and 'happening'....just the same as many 40 year olds from Leicester call people 'dude', it makes them sound silly.
Personally, I dislike Skedule, I much prefer shedule, but I'm perfectly happy with school with a hard 'k' sound. _________________ www.davidmonteath.com
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Philip Banks Je Ne Sais Quoi

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11075 Location: Portgordon, Scotland
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:19 am Post subject: |
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One has to opt for the standard and in the case of the UK it is "the Queen's English" therefore it is shhedjule. In the United of States in Americans the best equivalent to "the Queen's English" would a "A queen's English" as such it would be "skedjewel girlfriend".
In context -
"Raoul will you go shopping with me?"
"Oooh my dear, of course. You have the dress sense of a $20 Toledo tramp. Let me just check my schedule girlfriend and I'm SO there!" |
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asnively Triple G

Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 3204 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Not that there's anything wrong with that. _________________ the Amy Snively family of brands for all your branded thing needs.
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Lee Gordon A Zillion

Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 6864 Location: West Hartford, CT
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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davidmonteath wrote: | the same as many 40 year olds from Leicester call people 'dude', it makes them sound silly. |
Similarly, I'd love to use words like "bloke" or "blimey" but they just sound wrong when spoken by a Yank. (I will, however, occasionally call a dumpster a skip, or a hat a titfer just for the fun of it. )  _________________ Lee Gordon, O.A.V.
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davidmonteath Lucky 700

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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Many Americans end up sounding like Dick Van Lady in comfortable shoes when they say 'bloke'.
Lee, you go on skipping and titfering, anything as long as it makes you smile and feels good to say.
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