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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amy...I love that last post. I actually think I put myself into a category. I never was a pukey jock but I know exactly what you mean. My forte was conversational DJ-ing...(what kind of word is THAT?). In my short time in radio it became apparent that to be a successful morning guy I had to start yelling and puking because that's what my PM and GM thought was good radio. It became...a...er...um a habit. I LOVE sports but these ESPN radio guys make me sick! That's another thought for another day, however. Getting back to the topic, this forum gives me more and more encouragement each day. My coach tells me I'm doing well so, to me, that means I'm losing "radio guy" enough to show promise. Yes the mic is my friend, let me sooth you mic, let me sweet talk you, let me buy you dinner, let me.....OUCH!!! Jeeeeesh I just had my microphone slap me. Embarrassed[/i]
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right on Amy & Dan.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great radio personalities have all the skills of great voice over artists.

Bad voice over talents have all the skills of bad radio jockeys.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

STOP MAKING SENSE. Laugh Laugh Laugh
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lee Gordon wrote:
TessTalks wrote:
3) Respect the word. The words are enough.


I must have missed an important seminar or panel. To me, words are just little marks on a page or a screen until they are put into some sort of context. Part of the problem with so many radio announcer/DJs is they read the words as words (mostly as vehicles for the sound of their own voices) and don't impart any meaning to them.
Words are like building materials. In the hands of a skilled architect (i.e writer) they can be turned into a brilliant set of plans. But it is up to us voiceoverists to use our craftsmanship to turn those blueprints into something useful and perhaps even beautiful.
Oh, and by the way, a truly skilled artisan can often turn even a mediocre set of plans into a something worthwhile and nice.




In at least three different presentations (including the one I noted before) the speaker said the same thing: The words are enough.

The suggestion with radio people is that they are over the top, and don't connect with the words. And that a really great voiceover is understated...they let the words speak for themselves - they aren't doing a lot vocally. Time and time again people referred to the Jeff Bridges Hyundai vo's as a prime example (this is one of many).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaTDVU19oOU
To use your architecture analogy - there aren't a whole lot of stair brackets and medallions or crown molding on that vo
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to have "affected style" in your skillset but more often than not you merely have to exercise the choice not to use it. The words are there for you so all the Voiceoverist needs to do is find the mood and make eye contact. If it was hard work I wouldn't do it.........Follow me for the lazy way to do anything.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Jeff Bridges spot makes ME sound good by comparison. There is a case of a "name" winning out over "talent",
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Azkope-- you don't like his performance? What do you wish he'd done differently? I think he nails it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no expert but I got this "dead man walking" feeling. Must be all the Crystal Lite I drink
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeff Bridges can do no wrong. Just sayin
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose that's my prejudice. I don't care much for him as an actor, either. Lips Are Sealed
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He indeed makes eye contact on this spot. He makes the script "his".
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with that commercial.

If Mr Bridges rubs your rhubarb wrong, you should try to get past it and listen to the music in that delivery. There were so many light and delicate touches in that spot that made it sound like he was talking to me.

Until you're in the booth with just a piece of copy and a mic, and your job is to make it sound breezy-easy conversational, while 10 people are on the other side of the glass hanging on your every word, you'll never understand what just happened in that spot.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Bridges in that spot, even if the last line is a bit of a duff but I also don't generally care for much his "aw, well the hell with it" attitude he puts on just about everything he does. I'd go in to depth about it...but, aw, the hell with it.

We feel like he's talking to us in part because we are so familiar with his voice from exposure, it's a psychological thing - like how over four years we feel like we know the personality of our presidents from their speech patterns. Mr. Bridges is a great talent, no doubt, but so much of the power of a celebrity VO doesn't come from the performance...our minds can latch onto the voice even if we can't name the actor.

As for being breezy under pressure, Bridges and all top actors earned their stripes in part because they are supremely confident, or at least experts at not letting on that they're not and having amazing public self control. As for direction, we here often talk about "giving the director what they want" - in the case of celebrity VOs they are directed sparingly if at all compared to us working class voiceoverist folks. I've recorded a few a-list people and I've edited the sessions from a few of the a-list VO/actors and the direction intensity just isn't there. The talents are hired for their personality, and nobody is going to try and get in the way of that. The directors are more like ADs making sure nobody screws up the session.

Anyhow, back in the real world for the OP there's a lesson there...the more calmly confident you are the less likely (in theory) you are to be over-directed. It's often the nervous types that get used like doormats in a session.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob the DJ could've done it so much better!!! Well I think so based on his aircheck
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