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Bailey 4 Large

Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 4336 Location: Lake San Marcos... north of Connie, northwest of the Best.
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Sommer wrote: | It's like going on a date, the more you open your mouth, the more likely you are to say something stupid and turn your date off. |
Thanks for the High School flashback.
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Bruce Boardmeister

Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 7979 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:38 am Post subject: |
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While D.C. Douglas is immensely talented, he has been know to make an error or two in judgment. (hoo boy) While as Bob says there are no rules, consensus seems to be no immediate voice play on a site. Buyers know how to click a button and it should be front and center, so to speak.
Yes, a general demo should be mostly commercial type material, but at least one segment should be something that gives listeners an idea as to your narration skills if that's a line of work you wish to do. Put in a clip where you're "animated" but not a cartoon character to show you have some flexibility maybe. Very little imaging work comes through the P2P sites from my experience, and those buyers who are searching for such probably aren't listening to general demos.
If you're fishing for which P2P site to sign up with, feel free to Search our archives, but you'll probably get frustrated and confused. Many people here like them and use them and have plenty of good and bad things to say about the two biggies (V123 and Voices, and very little to say about Bodalgo) and then there is a large group here that won't use them (ever again). Be prepared to lay down your $300, cut a lot of auditions, make some psychic decisions on how much to bid, and wait for very uncertain results.
Hey, you're getting work, and working hard to find out how to get more work and applying the advice that makes sense to you, and that's what this biz is all about.
Keep it up,
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Bob Bergen CM
Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 988
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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[BTW, I got this idea from D.C. Douglas --> http://www.myvoiceoverguy.com/]
I actually have no problem with it, if it works. And I know "if it works" is subjective.
I think DC's works because of who he is, his track record in the business, and the sound byte itself shows off his money voice.
I don't think yours worked because it's processed so much it adds nothing to who you are and what you have to offer as a voice actor.
Anyone who takes my workshops know I'm a bundle of contradictions. I'll say "do this" and an hour later say "never do that." It all just depends on how it works and how it's received.
I tell folks don't have a picture on your website because they will judge your voice by your looks. AND, I have my picture on my site. What's with that??? Well, 30 years in the business. If you are a veteran in the business it might be an asset to have your picture. But if you are just starting out or fairly new it will harm you.
I have a sound byte on my home page. It use to be cartoon music along with tons of animated feature posters. My agent gave me some great advice. He said that the animation buyers know me and what I do in animation. But if he were to send an ad exec, or a promo producer to my site, being bombarded with animation would work against me. Genius advice! So, I removed the animation music and made the opening a mini demo of all things VO. I also have an option to skip the intro. It's done well for me. It might not work for others.
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OneGeoVO Guest
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Bob Bergen wrote: | I don't think yours worked because it's processed... |
Thanks Bob. I keep hearing that "it's processed..." in this forum. Hmmm, strange... I wonder what they mean, "processed"?
I supposed every recording is "processed" at some level. But in any case, with this short little ditty there is no electronic modification of the voice, i.e. no pitch change, no reverb, no doubling etc. Just some EQing and other standard adjustments that I would make for any other promo or narration work. I was however shooting for that big movie theater sound, but this is more raw mic work than anything. I'll go back and have a look at the original mix for to see if I can figure out what people are hearing in this one.
In any case, thanks for this and the rest of your comments as well.
Ohhh and yeah, I struggled with that picture thing too for a very long time before I finally put my goofy mug up there. The logic is this - I finally figured that a voice should have a face attached to it (unless you happen to be employed as a ghost at the Haunted Mansion), at least at the onset of any businesses relationship. And hey, this work is really all about "personality" so....
Also, one more thing about my mug shot decision - I for one am able to remember and recognize a face far, far, far-and-away better than a name. But perhaps this is just me.
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asnively Triple G

Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 3204 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:03 am Post subject: |
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I vote no on any auto-played audio, on any site, ever.
I think it's always a bad idea.
People who disagree have never used the web with a kitten in their lap, while nursing a baby, in bed as their partner sleeps, or after having cranked their monitors to 11 because of something they're working on in a different program.
I don't care if somebody smart, successful, usually-right, who I like IRL, and who throws a kick-ass mixer says it's OK (sometimes or ever). They are wrong.
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ccpetersen With a Side of Awesome

Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 3708 Location: In Coherent
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:21 am Post subject: |
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I agree about the "no" on auto play. I just got a feeler from someone who wanted me to consider their work. So, I clicked on their site link and it was a flash with NO way to opt out. Because I live in an area where I have a slower bit rate on my internet access, that site took a couple of minutes to fully load. It was a full screen of flash video animation. Once it loaded, it didn't tell me anything about the person who sent it, and little about the work they do.
OT: that being said, I am having a problem right now with a video link on a page that, even though I've set it to NON-autoplay, when the page loads, I get a 1-sec "blip" of sound. Not sure why that happens. _________________ Charter Member: Threadjackers Local 420 |
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OneGeoVO Guest
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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asnively wrote: | I vote no on any auto-played audio, on any site, ever.
I think it's always a bad idea.
People who disagree have never used the web with a kitten in their lap, while nursing a baby, in bed as their partner sleeps, or after having cranked their monitors to 11 because of something they're working on in a different program.
I don't care if somebody smart, successful, usually-right, who I like IRL, and who throws a kick-ass mixer says it's OK (sometimes or ever). They are wrong.
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Actually, you bring up the very best point against this idea that thar is IMHO. I suppose a counter argument to your point would go something like this:
Well, it all boils down to what audience you are trying to attract. In other words, question is in this regard (for me at least) - Will the average person in the position of casting voice over work be in bed as their partner sleeps, be nursing a baby, have their monitors cranked to 11, etc.???
But again, your point is well taken. |
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OneGeoVO Guest
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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ccpetersen wrote: | I get a 1-sec "blip" of sound. Not sure why that happens. |
Hmmmm, look at the html script that passes parameters to your media file, and see if you can move the no-autoplay param to the head of the list, or in front of the actual call to the media file. |
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ccpetersen With a Side of Awesome

Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 3708 Location: In Coherent
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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That worked like a champ! thanks for the suggestion!
sorry for the threadjack... _________________ Charter Member: Threadjackers Local 420 |
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OneGeoVO Guest
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: | While D.C. Douglas is immensely talented, he has been know to make an error or two in judgment. (hoo boy) While as Bob says there are no rules, consensus seems to be no immediate voice play on a site... |
Thank you Bruce for your immensely level-headed/even-handed advice.
RETURN TIP TIME: I can tell you one thing thats been working very well for me when it comes to promotion. My batting average for getting paid work is very good when it comes to donating a free voice-over for a non-profit or zero budget request from one of the (free) vo/broadcast media job boards. More often than not, the recipient will use my work, be very happy with the results and then will come back to hire me for some paid work. I'm not getting rich doing this by any means, but my time-spent-recording-per-pay ratio is actually pretty high. |
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asnively Triple G

Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 3204 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Having their monitors cranked to 11 is quite common.
If you think your target audience isn't doing any of the other things, you're clearly unaware of how a lot of people in our business work-- casting directors, agents, and end-users.
Not everyone is a man, in an office, working 9-5, and not editing audio in another window. Just sayin'.
I've seen people lose gigs over this.
Up close.
Because I was the one who made the decision. _________________ the Amy Snively family of brands for all your branded thing needs.
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Whit Backstage Pass

Joined: 27 Feb 2009 Posts: 431 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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I also vote no auto play ever. I don't like to be bombarded with sound when I'm not expecting it. It's unpleasant being caught unaware. |
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Mike Sommer A Hundred Dozen

Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 1222 Location: Boss Angeles
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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OneGeoVO wrote: | Bob Bergen wrote: | I don't think yours worked because it's processed... | Thanks Bob. I keep hearing that "it's processed..." in this forum. Hmmm, strange... I wonder what they mean, "processed"?
I supposed every recording is "processed" at some level. But in any case, with this short little ditty there is no electronic modification of the voice, i.e. no pitch change, no reverb, no doubling etc. Just some EQing and other standard adjustments that I would make for any other promo or narration work. I was however shooting for that big movie theater sound, but this is more raw mic work than anything. I'll go back and have a look at the original mix for to see if I can figure out what people are hearing in this one. |
The message that's trying to be passed on to you is that your voice sounds effected; that it sounds unnatural.
And it is effected in two ways:
1) You are working the microphone way too close. ( The proximity effect of the mic is unnatural. )
2) You are physically pushing your voice in an unnatural area, by shooting for a "big movie theater sound." And in all your recordings,
you are reaching, trying to attain the deeper more resonate sound that you hear in your head. The reality is, we all sound
deeper in our heads than we do in real life. For some this can be a big psychological hurdle to get over, but it is one that needs to be
overcome if one is to be successful in VO.
With this, you are defeating yourself by trying to emulate your perceived voice. It is in this way you sound effected, and more precisely
unnatural, and not at ease. If you are not at ease, then the listener is not at ease, and therefore the listener will not trust you.
In other words you need to sound comfortable and conversational.
This why your "OneGeo VO," and in a greater sense your other reads not working. They sound insincere, inflated or maybe affecting a greater
importance-- possibly overambitious.
Solution: Acting and Improv classes. Along with a good Voce Over Coach.
Gather an understanding of what it is that we do as Voice Actors.
In short, we tell stories. We are storytellers. _________________ The Blog:
http://voiceoveraudio.blogspot.com/
Acoustics are counter-intuitive. If one thing is certain about acoustics, it is that if anything seems obvious it is probably wrong.
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OneGeoVO Guest
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Whit wrote: | I also vote no auto play ever. I don't like to be bombarded with sound when I'm not expecting it. It's unpleasant being caught unaware. |
Yup, I totally agree.
The background intro audio has now been removed from my site.
Thanks again for your help everyone. |
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Philip Banks Je Ne Sais Quoi

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11081 Location: Portgordon, Scotland
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Where web sites are concerned I know a Voiceoverist who breaks every rule in the book...EVERY SINGLE RULE. When that fact was pointed on this site D.B Cooper came up with the best advice I have ever read.
"He (the voiceoverist concerned) can do whatever the hell he likes but that doen't mean that YOU should." |
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