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Chuck Davis
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ricevoice wrote:
Great thread Chuck!


LOL. Thanks Chris! I can tell this a favorite topic here. Mike, great article....thanks. I truly get the intended purpose of reference monitors...and funny you should mention Auratones. I almost forgot about those little guys.

I used to do fair about of playing/recording at a local room that featured a sweet old Ampex 2" 16 track. In those days we would listen on the "big" soffit mounted monitors, then the cubes...then on a boom box (wired in).
The acid test? Dub it to a cassette and listen in the car. Yup...it was a little while back.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have and love the KRK Rokit 8s.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last night I went out and did a bit of listening. The local GC was where I ended up. The candidates were Mackies MR5 (2010), KRK's RP6, and MAudios BX5. While I would have liked to include the JBL's...the price point was a bit beyond my budget.

After listening to all three with my favorite reference CD, Donald Fagen's "Nighfly"..."Maxine" in particular....I settled on the KRK's. Overall they were the most even sounding with no sense of any portion of the spectrum being hyped. Fine detail sounded best on that pair...plus the "sweet spot" seemed to be the widest. I was able to move 2 feet to either side without loosing the image.

I guess I lucked out also since the b/g music that's usually on in those stores was off at the time...and the place was relatively quiet overall.

Back in the studio, the difference is really refreshing! The RP6's sound quite similar to the older Audix's with the expected low end extention (deeper..not louder lows), quite a bit more detail in the midrange and highs and a really comfortable listening position when perched on the existing monitor stands.

All for a total of 386 out the door.

So far, so good!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on the new monitors. I was looking for a new set a couple of months ago and was really impressed by the KRK's. But then I heard the Yamaha HSM80s and loved them. And then the Adam A7Xs blew me away...but were way out of my price range. As was mentioned before...I would LOVE to have Genelecs but that is out of the question. I ended up getting some JBL LSR2328s with the sub and the MSC-1 controller with room correction mode (which seems useless IMHO). Still getting used to them though. They sound quite different at home compared to the store. I need to improve my acoustics in my studio which will be my next project! Anyway...enjoy your new monitors!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I installed a MSC1 for a client's M-Audio BX5a's in a far from ideal room and found it really did help a lot. I blogged about it, if interested (I know, getting OT).
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:05 am    Post subject: KRK Yamaha Reply with quote

I got a pair of KRK V4 Powered Monitors. One died within a week.

Right now I'm using the same powered Yamaha NS-5's I've had for the past 10 years. I trust these monitors, they're accurate. When I mix a promo on these, it translates when I hear that promo on the radio in my car, in the kitchen, in a store.

When I was imaging Kiss108, where we had 3 production rooms plus my personal studio - Scott Morello and Justin "Spanky" Weiner would bring their mixes into my room to hear them on the NS-5's. Scott mixed on Mackie monitors, Justin had JBL's. They'd get the mix to sound good in their rooms, but when it hit the air the mix didn't sound right. But if it sounded good on the NS-5's, they knew they got it right.

These speakers are called 'ear shredders' for good reason, but if you can not crank the volume on 'em, they're a very reliable tool for gauging the audio you're processing and mixing. NS-5's are the baby siblings of the more famous NS-10's. I don't use them to listen for pleasure, just for work. I've used these monitors in three different studios, they've always worked well.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:14 am    Post subject: Congrats Chuck Reply with quote

Glad you found something you like! But especially happy to read about the process you went through to find what you liked. Although comparing options in the store is not the same as comparing in your own environment, it is still the best way to get an idea of what will likely work for you. Since you seem happy with your decision, going through that process clearly worked for you. Fantastic!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing that must be considered in the room too. Just as much as a talk about the recording space needing to tuned well, the mixing area needs to be tuned also.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chuck, Glad to hear you like them. I don't get listening fatigue KRK's that I did with other monitors I've used.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great choice! I've heard great things about the Mackie and M-Audio models you listed. I haven't tried them myself but I can attest to the KRK RP6's. These are my main monitors and I'm quite happy with them! Enjoy!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a set of KRK Rokit G2 5's primarily. I am mixing 80% VO and music as well.

In addition, I have a Bryston 3B powering a pair of NS10s with a Radio Shack passive sub that I can switch over to for a comparison. Once you're done retching, understand that the sub works very nicely, thank you very much. Smile

Mike's point that room treatment is important is valid, but I'm also of the opinion that at lower levels, nearfields aren't as affected by room modes and standing waves as larger speakers are. And if you're really in doubt, pop on a pair of decent headphones (Senn HD280s, here).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Szabo wrote:

Mike's point that room treatment is important is valid, but I'm also of the opinion that at lower levels, nearfields aren't as affected by room modes and standing waves as larger speakers are. And if you're really in doubt, pop on a pair of decent headphones (Senn HD280s, here).


I don't want to have to say this, but that is just wrong and bad information.
How do you think I test studios?- Oh nothing, just nearfield monitors.

"Acoustics are counter-intuitive. If one thing is certain about acoustics, it is that if anything seems obvious it is probably wrong."

What may be working out in your room, may not be working in someone else's room. Every, and I mean every room needs acoustical treatment. The mix area does not need to be as heavily treated as the the booth (unless both and mix area are one in the same) but I can guarantee most everyone's mix area needs acoustical treatment.

Here is an example of a proper set up for a mix area:

~ Standing waves are controlled using absorption wideband and bass traps and or diffusion.
~ Speaker should be far enough away from walls to avoid bass-reesonace proximity effect ( yes speakers can create proximity effect).
~ Walls and ceiling should be treated to absorb first reflections.
~ Mixing positon should be symmetrical from left to right.

IF you are just editing your vocal tracks, you can get away with minimal treatment. If you're doing production -full tilt or otherwise- you will be well served by treating your mix area.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, Mike, do note that I added the qualifier "at lower levels". And we're talking in context of VO (this being the VO-BB and all) - but for full-tilt production, I heartily agree that you need a treated room for accurate monitoring.
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And we're talking in context of VO (this being the VO-BB and all) - but for full-tilt production, I heartily agree that you need a treated room for accurate monitoring.

That is the "just getting by" thinking that has lead to the race to the bottom audio quality that has dominated Home Bound VO for the past 10 years or so.

One can certainly do well editing takes with a pair of headphones. But if you're doing any kind of production or re-EQing of your product, you can only make good decisions in a well treated room.

This is about elevating ourselves to professional levels. If one wants to be a hobbyist that is another thing.
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