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Philip Banks
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:14 am    Post subject: Audio book narration rates Reply with quote

I've never done an audio book and nor have I been asked to one so had no idea how rates should look.

In the UK they look like this (converted to $)

8 hour woking day $730 with a one hour break.

The above is the rate for the VO who does not direct, record, edit, upload, print, research.

How does the above equate to the "all inclusive" rates?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my all inclusive rate is $300 per finished hour.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeffreyKafer wrote:
my all inclusive rate is $300 per finished hour.


Jeffrey - if you don't mind me asking; how long does it take you to voice and produce a finished hour? On average....
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About 4 hours. Maybe 5 if it's a monday.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jeff. From a UK perspective, that's a lot of work for the money....
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no doubt, that when looking at the hourly rates associated with audiobooks, they are not so hot compared with short-form work... but just looking at these numbers can give a very false impression about the financial value of audiobook work. It also very much depends on how much of your time is taken up by these high value gigs.

I've done a few prime gigs recently which have effectively paid me between $250 & $500 per hour. But how often am I getting these gigs? One of these gigs per day would set me up for the mythical $100K per year. I am not getting one of these gems per day... one a week if I'm lucky, even throw in a number of smaller $100 jobs and I'm still woefully short of six-figure nirvana.

So I'm not financially rich, but I am reasonably rich in time. Jeff's figures are pretty much spot-on (OK, I'm a bit cheaper, and I may take a tad longer to finish an hour), and they effectively pay him $60-$75 per hour. If Jeff keeps his dance-card full, there's his $100K. In my case, I'm looking at work on my desk that's going to keep me busy for the next three months... and the beauty of it is, while working "full-time" at the audiobooks, there's still time to do the prime stuff.

So, if you're making enough or filling your time with the prime stuff, then audiobooks can seem like a lot of work for the lower reward. As for Philip's original question, I think approx $100 per hour (for an all-day booking) is certainly in the ball-park for a jobbing narrator. I know a good plumber can earn more, but I'm not going to sniff at it.

Of course, this totally ignores the question of how much you may (or may not) enjoy long-form work. I'm really getting into narrating good books... & I'm learning to be pragmatic about the endless hours of editing Mello

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Dayo
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bish wrote:

If Jeff keeps his dance-card full, there's his $100K.


Agreed, but it's not going to leave him any time left over to devote to the other legs of his business: finance and marketing. Production, fun though it is, is only one third of the equation (IMHO, YMMV etc)

Peter - I keep looking at your avatar pic and thinking "I know that face but I can't place it...." - Help!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dayo - great point! NOT having the time to market/follow up/etc... is a big component to consider. When I have 3-4 long books in a row that are all on tight deadlines, that's ALL I have time for for 2 months.

Part of this is my problem, as I have to "gear myself" up for marketing. I usually do it in bursts...2 weeks of nothing but marketing and new client acquisition, then nothing for a month. Its not the best, I know - it would be better to do a little every day. But I can't break myself out of the cycle Angry
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dayo wrote:

Agreed, but it's not going to leave him any time left over to devote to the other legs of his business: finance and marketing.


Not true. I usually budget 2 weeks for a 10 hour audiobook. If my card is totally full of books, then that's almost $80k per year. And I'm spending 4 hours per day on it, leaving plenty of room for my other short form stuff: Pandora spots, real estate narrations, and e-learning. This also assumes you don't mind working a full 8-hour day, which I don't, now that Oprah is off the air.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeffreyKafer wrote:

You gotta fill your jar with big rocks, small rocks, and sand.


Love this Jeff!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't have said it better, Jeff....

Now, back to the sandpile....
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long form (audio book) narration ......Argh! I have the utmost respect for anyone able to do it.

When asked to quote I always establish what the potential client wouldn't pay and add $5,000 just to be sure.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philip Banks wrote:
When asked to quote I always establish what the potential client wouldn't pay and add $5,000 just to be sure.

An idea borrowed from Congress, no doubt. And, yes, Jeff's words of wisdom are right-on.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philip Banks wrote:
When asked to quote I always establish what the potential client wouldn't pay and add $5,000 just to be sure.

Serious question: You know you don't want to do it and no one is going to pay that much. So why quote at all? Why not just a simple "Thank you, but let me refer you to some people who might be better suited to this project?"
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