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chuckweis Contributor IV
Joined: 27 Feb 2008 Posts: 136
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Ed Gambill wrote: | Some have suggested for you to get a SM7, RE20, MD 421. I disagree with those suggestions for two reasons. First none of them are very much better than a SM57 or 58. Secondly they cost a lot more than the 57 or 58. |
Wow, I'm pretty cheap when it comes to buying gear, but there's no way I'd save a couple hundred bucks and get something like an SM58 over something like an SM7.
I have used a 58 on many occasions, I own a 57, and own an SM7. The 58 isn't even in the same league in terms of spoken word audio quality. The 57 is actually closer. Are the manufacturing techniques similar and all that techie stuff? I guess, but the proof is in the audio that you hear back.
Why spend time in post trying to get a mic not designed for spoken word to come out "okay," when you can lay down a track with an SM7 and decent mid-level pre or channel strip and get really good audio that requires little no tweaking??
I wanted to make the cheaper solution work, but found that my first "real" set-up of a used SM7 > DBX 286 > pretty cheap USB Lexicon interface gave me good results at a pretty good price point, and got me a lot of paying work for a couple years before "upgrade-itis" got the best of me  |
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Ed Gambill Cinquecento

Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Posts: 561 Location: King, NC 35mi SE of Mayberry
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Chuck
Now that you have your opinion off you chest, do you feel better. I hope so; I believe that opinions area like microphones everyone has one.
Having used the SM7 I agree that it's a good microphone. The SM57 is like any other tool in the hands of a knowledgeable user it sounds remarkably good and is not too difficult to EQ in post. It just take skill.
Not having the vast experience or microphone collection you have I bow to your wisdom.
But wait there is more.
I can make a SM57/SM58 sound just like a SM7, it just take experience and skill. _________________ Esse quam videri "To be rather than to seem"
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chuckweis Contributor IV
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Ed Gambill wrote: | The SM57 is like any other tool in the hands of a knowledgeable user it sounds remarkably good and is not too difficult to EQ in post. It just take skill.
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I guess we will just agree to disagree on this, Ed.
The sound we hear is subjective. That's it. I have worked with and used many combinations of budget and high-end gear over the years, with a lot of experimentation of mixing and matching. To MY ears, with post-eq'ing and some other tricks, I still can't put the 57/58 in the same league as the SM7.
That was just my advice to the original poster. That's all.
He can soak all this in and go from there. |
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Ed Gambill Cinquecento

Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Posts: 561 Location: King, NC 35mi SE of Mayberry
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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On this we agree!  _________________ Esse quam videri "To be rather than to seem"
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Rob Ellis M&M

Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard people do some pretty amazing things with nothing more than an SM 58.....that being said, I still think that the SM7B has a noticeably more condenser-like quality to it.
Maybe some artful EQ-ing erases any differences....as one who doesn't apply much processing at all (other than maybe a little compression and high pass filter at times) I wouldn't know. At any rate I have always been impressed by the quality of the SM7 at what I consider to be a very reasonable price.
Looks pretty cool too.  |
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CNB
Joined: 15 Feb 2012 Posts: 2 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:08 am Post subject: |
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First of all, many thanks to everyone for the warm welcome and helpful advice! It's very kind to be received with so much encouragement and expertise.
Quote: | Can I ask for some clarification? Are you looking for a better setup to record auditions or to provide the final work? |
Ah, I'm sorry not to have been clear. Right now I'm only recording auditions, not any final copies that would be sent to clients for actual use. Because of that, it seems I would be best served by beginning to experiment right away with various work-arounds to combat the biggest noises first (street sounds), and then tackling lesser things like the refrigerator (I'm not sure I'll ever get the rest of my apartment so quiet that that would make a major difference). Looks like I'm on the hunt for moving blankets and mattresses.
And while I've not yet picked out a mic, since my technical abilities and knowledge aren't especially high in terms of EQing, I think I'll probably need a mic that can do some of the work for me. I know some guys who happen to have a few dynamics like the RE20 and 421 in a studio, so I can at least start listening to my voice on them to get a sense of what I'd sound like.
Once I've made some progress, I may post an audio sample of what things were like when I started (*shudder*) and what point I've reached. Thanks again, everyone! |
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chuckweis Contributor IV
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ccpetersen With a Side of Awesome

Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 3708 Location: In Coherent
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:52 am Post subject: |
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I've had good luck with down comforters and moving blankets attached to the walls of my space. I use an interior space that was a walk-in closet. It's just a bit bigger than a Whisperroom for a recording space, so it was relatively easy to treat it for sound deadening. The worst I get is if we have very high winds that rock the house. Not often, but it does happen -- we live at 9200 feet in the Rockies, so we do get a little wind here.  |
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Frank F Fat, Old, and Sassy

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 4421 Location: Park City, Utah
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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So far I kept myself from posting about where you are in the VO world. But some things need be said:
Start with some soul-searching. Determine your desire about the business, then about what investment(s) will be required, it's not just money. Remember the first step in becoming a VOist is - talent.
Then look into your skill set, what types of VO are you able to provide future clients, How are you at taking direction? How does you style deliver what your future clients need? Are you a business person or a hobby-ist? How are you at negotiating fees? Collecting your fees? Managing your business? Marketing? This exercise will help determine the next step.
It's not just the equipment. Find a location where you intend to work. Listen, then listen again, then listen again. What do you hear? Do you hear boom-iness? Echo?, Reverberation in the high frequencies? Where is it coming from? How you you dimish or eliminate the extraneous noise(s)? Outside noise? Inside noise(s)? The room set-up for recording is the second step consideration for a VO talent.
Now comes the equipment. What microphone? Good VO mics come in all flavors and price ranges, you need to choose what works for YOU. Sound Card/ preamp/computer/editing software? Again, what works for you? Do not rely on what others have to say. ProTools may work for a full blown recording studio which records musicians all day long and an occasional VO here and there. But is is necessary and comfortable for you?
Do you like to play with MIDI or loops? then another program might be better for your skill set. There are a myriad of editing programs available today, from Garage Band to Steinberg's Nuendo; and you will need to learn how to be comfortable editing your VO projects - so find what kind of software works for your style.
Finally, choose now to begin your journey. Although VO is an easy gig, it takes perseverance and stamina. If you are going to be a VOist, then begin marketing your services today, now, right this second. Or, choose VO as a hobby and play around with the industry until you feel the desire to make it happen -- or not.
If you choose to take the leap, the expensive equipment will come - in time. Find what works for you today and make it work for tomorrow.
Frank F _________________ Be thankful for the bad things in life. They opened your eyes to the good things you weren't paying attention to before. email: thevoice@usa.com |
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heyguido MMD

Joined: 31 Aug 2011 Posts: 2507 Location: RDU, the Geek Capitol of the South
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Well said, Frank.... _________________ Don Brookshire
"Wait.... They wanna PAY me for this?" |
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Jeffrey Kafer Assistant Zookeeper

Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 4931 Location: Location, Location!
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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soundgun wrote: |
I can work with you via phone to design an acoustical solution that you DIY. |
This. _________________ Jeff
http://JeffreyKafer.com
Voice-overload Web comic: http://voice-overload.com |
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Zach Contributor
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 47 Location: Ft. Worth, TX
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yup. Best money that I have spent in a long time.
My space sounds great thanks to George. |
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