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Kevgarlic
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 12 Location: Southern Illinois
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:08 am Post subject: looking for recommendations for NON pay-to-play sites |
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I had earlier had a response from a member of the Threadjackers Union -- a.k.a. Todd - - but I can't seem to find his reply. Can this wonderful community point me in the right direction of any vo-job websites that do not require you to pay to be a member of ?
Thanks.
Kevin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zG3NBCR0TU&feature=plcp |
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Jeffrey Kafer Assistant Zookeeper

Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 4931 Location: Location, Location!
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Bish 3.5 kHz

Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 3738 Location: Lost in the cultural wasteland of Long Island
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: |
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I've actually had a couple of gigs from free listing... it's a lot of effort to trawl through them, but one in particular is a pretty high level corporate entity that pays well and is now a repeat customer. Craigslist, Mandy, eLance and the like are out there and it is possible to establish contact with a lucrative client... but as Jeff says, you get what you pay for, and it can be very time consuming.
It's like the difference between the free dating sites and the paid ones.  _________________ Bish a.k.a. Bish
Smoke me a kipper... I'll be back for breakfast.
I will not feed the trolls... I will not feed the trolls... I will not feed the trolls... I will not feed the trolls. |
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Lee Gordon A Zillion

Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 6864 Location: West Hartford, CT
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Thus far, Voice Realm is not charging a fee, although they will take a commission from any job you book through them. _________________ Lee Gordon, O.A.V.
Voice President of the United States
www.leegordonproductions.com
Twitter: @LeeGordonVoice
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Bish 3.5 kHz

Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 3738 Location: Lost in the cultural wasteland of Long Island
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:05 am Post subject: |
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As far as I understand it, Voice Realm selects the talent it wants on its roster and then sends them filtered auditions and charges 10% commission. Ummm... isn't this agent territory, or have I misunderstood (yada, yada, usual disclaimer, I usually do).
The point of a P2P is that the have a business model (like it or not) that either charges the talent (or anything that moves). If you're offering a free listing and auditioning service to talents (and charging only on a commission basis), then you have to be selective or the whole thing implodes under its own weight as it becomes impossible for clients to select efficiently from the unbridled, seething mass of "talents".
Ooops... I must re-read my signature line  _________________ Bish a.k.a. Bish
Smoke me a kipper... I'll be back for breakfast.
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Scott Pollak The Gates of Troy

Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 1903 Location: Looking out at the San Juan mountains
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Then again, there's just nothing like SEO for finding non P2P jobs. Just got a call from guy in Texas who found me via a search (if you type in "professional narration" on Google, I come up on page one), and he hired me to voice a nice little powerpoint presentation. LOVE it when the work just comes to you like that. _________________ Scott R. Pollak
Clients include Pandora, NPR Atlanta, Wells Fargo, Cisco, Humana, Publix, UPS, AT&T, HP, Xerox and more.
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todd ellis A Zillion

Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Posts: 10529 Location: little egypt
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: |
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i did a mid-to-lowish paying job 18 months (or so) ago for a german agency from an ad on guru. this morning i found out that i am to be the new american voice of "Car2Go" in europe ... many, many scripts for many, many more euros that the original gig. no audition, just an email saying "yer da guy ... deets on the way". it was more "german-sounding" when she said it, though. _________________ "i know philip banks": todd ellis
who's/on/1st?
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Kevgarlic
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 12 Location: Southern Illinois
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:23 am Post subject: All good replies.. |
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Thanks for the great information regarding my nonp2p question. . .Craiglist? Duh, I just never would have thought! Thanks for the "outside the box" suggestions!
I'll continue looking. Currently I am not doing vos full-time -- I have a wonderful Government job with good benefits (**which is different than being a radio DJ, which is what I did for almost 20 years!).
BUT, I will be eligible to retire in about 7 years and then -- boy, I'd love to do NOTHING but voice-work as a "hobby", a paying hobby.
As I tell my family, once I retire and can do what I want to do full-time, just leave me in a small, padded room, and let me talk to myself.
Thanks again for the tips/comments....
Kev
http://boucherproductions.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq65NKlH230&feature=plcp |
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Kevgarlic
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 12 Location: Southern Illinois
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:29 am Post subject: Very nice when jobs just find you |
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Hey Todd,
Wow, that is a great story about how you are the American Voice for that German company. . .kind of goes in line with what I have seen in my life, that, generally, the harder you work, the luckier you get! |
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todd ellis A Zillion

Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Posts: 10529 Location: little egypt
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:32 am Post subject: |
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ps - i completely glossed over the 1st post -
a. hi kevin
b. i'll re-send the original email _________________ "i know philip banks": todd ellis
who's/on/1st?
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Kevgarlic
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 12 Location: Southern Illinois
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:08 pm Post subject: Hey Scott, question about that SEO website |
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Hi Scott, Can you give me the complete URL of that SEO voice-over website that you mentioned in the NON-pay-to-play thread ?
Many thanks.
Kevin Boucher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq65NKlH230&feature=plcp
Boucherproductions.com/ |
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Bailey 4 Large

Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 4336 Location: Lake San Marcos... north of Connie, northwest of the Best.
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Kev,
Keep that Fed retirement date in focus. A Fed pension with medical benefits is a great parachute to have while you're developing that VO "hobby" into a 2nd income. _________________ "Bailey"
a.k.a. Jim Sutton
Retired... Every day is Saturday, except Sunday.
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AOVA Graduate 02/2004 ;
"Be a Voice, not an Echo." |
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Kevgarlic
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 12 Location: Southern Illinois
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:17 pm Post subject: Yes Bailey, you are 100 % correct |
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Oh yes, believe me I know the tremendous value of the wonderful benefits that I have! |
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Lance Blair M&M

Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 2281 Location: Atlanta
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Another route is to get in with talent pools or production houses that carry a roster of talents. There are quite a few in Europe and Asia that need English speaking VO talents, and I book a fair amount of work that way. They often pay very little at first trying you out with smaller clients, but then they pay US market rates for bigger jobs. At least that's been my experience. _________________ Skype: globalvoiceover
and now, http://lanceblairvo.com the blog is there now too! |
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Matto Club 300

Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 391 Location: Vancouver Island, British Columbia
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Not to derail the thread but just a heads up that The Voice Realm are now taking a 15% commission AND charging a $75 fee to sign up.
I wanted to sign up because some friends said that they are getting decent leads above the rates that Voice Realm have listed. However, I'm not ok with the double-dipping. _________________ www.mattcowlrick.com |
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