VO-BB - 20 YEARS OLD!

Yonie · CM Joined: 31 Aug 2011 Posts: 906

Guys, I'm not sure you realize what I'm trying to convey.

Here's my understanding of the system, expressed simply:

Three rankings represented: Finalist, Considered and Not Likely.

13 auditions are submitted. One of them is ranked Finalist, one is ranked Considered, and 11 are ranked Not Likely.

Finalist will view his ranking as 1st out of 13. Maybe he'll see that 0 other auditions received this ranking

Considered will view his ranking as 2nd out of 13. Maybe he'll see that 0 other auditions received this ranking.

Every Not Likely will view their spot as 3rd out of 13, along with the fact that 11 others received the same ranking. If this remains unchanged, nobody will see any other number. The only position you can achieve is the absolute top in that specific rank; there is no summa cum laude, magna cum laude, or other. Ultimately, there's the valedictorian, and everyone else.

heyguido · Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:20 pm Post subject:

Nailed it. You, sir, have won the interwebs for the nite.
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graemespicer · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:23 am Post subject:

I tried. I'm done.
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Scott Pollak · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:35 am Post subject:

Bill Campbell · DC Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 621

Audition for the type of projects are good at. Then, forget it. You get hired or you don't. For a $300 yearly investment, it's not worth stewing over auditions.

I'm a V123 talent and a SEEKER. We hire people all the time from V123.
We recently hired a female to be the voice of a major college basketball team's Radio/TV commercials (25 spots a season). We got thirty auditions, most weren't even close to "right" for the job (know what you're good at). One was. We hired her. We never rate the auditions. We just don't have time. That's how it works - for us.
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heyguido · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:45 am Post subject:

It's not personal. It's P2P. Yeah, it's a touchy subject. You don't see Bish jumping in the middle of this one, do you? I've known you long enough to have seen the occasional outburst. My feelings are not hurt. No worries. We're all friends here, right?

My point was not a dig against auditioning. Rather, the time and effort spent auditioning for no return. How many hours did he spend getting that one job, which, by his own account, paid considerably less than the other? If you divide the paycheck by the hours spent preparing, recording, and producing each of those 60 auditions, it's probably not a very attractive number.

Perhaps there are other things that might be more effective and efficient that he could do to find and attract work. SEO, marketing, networking, freshening the demos, polishing up the website..... Even courting another agent.... or three.

Campbell's got it right. Know your strength, and play to it. Ignore the critics, and the critiques. Forget the rankings. They mean nothing.

Banging your head against the same wall is pointless. Make a door.
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Scott Pollak · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:51 am Post subject:

captain54 · Lucky 700 Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 744 Location: chicago

Allow me to clarify that my 1/60 success ratio was only a snapshot of that one particular period from 1/22 - 2/6... Prior, I've had a much much better ratio and that doesn't even include repeat business

If I shut it down because of a bad stretch I might be shooting myself in the foot.. I've been around long enough to know you ride the ups with the downs..

I understand the argument that the V123 ranking system isn't perfect so why bother paying attention to it at all. However, it's disconcerting to read that an audition you thought you nailed and did a great job with received a "not likely" even though you were ranked high. What the hell is that? We're only human and you're not being honest if you say that that stuff doesn't affect you and make you wonder.. "What did I do wrong? or "What could I have done better" When in fact, maybe you DID nail it...

Festus · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:48 am Post subject:

When in fact, maybe you DID nail it...[/quote]
As a side bar--which is why it's always a good idea to watermark your auditions on P2P sites, or leave out a couple of important words so it can't be used.
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Lee Gordon · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:20 am Post subject:

captain54 · Lucky 700 Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 744 Location: chicago

I think watermarking an audition is terribly distracting to the voice seeker and they will likely pass on your audition and move on to the non-watermarked ones..

I've often inserted subtle inversion of words or subsitutions, all the while not distracting or taking away the meaning of the text.. I've gotten feedback from clients stating they were perfectly okay with that...

markt · Been Here Awhile Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 217

This whole subject is always a can of worms…

But here's my question now after reading this and many other posts over the months: which is worse; the no client contact thing of voices.com or this new ranking system on V123? Which is more likely to make folks jump ship on either one of these P2P's?

I left voices.com a short time back to upgrade my area and improve my finished product, but I'm beginning to waffle on which one of these to re-join.

Mark
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Scott Pollak · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:37 pm Post subject:

Rob Ellis · M&M Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit

we all have (or should have) better things to do than try to mind-read what the Voice123 voicebuyers want, or like.

Submit the audition and move on, and save yourself a lot of wasted energy.

Simple but not easy, and believe me, I know.

(Us reformed audition obsessors are the worst, kinda like ex-smokers Laugh

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Lance Blair · M&M Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 2281 Location: Atlanta

This illuminates the ratings thing for me:

I auditioned for something on voices.com. The guy from the production company was terrific and wrote me long messages on voices directing me to do a call back audition on the side because he wanted to hear something different that he didn't hear in the audition (it was for a video game). I was on the short list of a handful of talents but I didn't get the job. He writes another nice kind long letter explaining this, and saying he really wants me to audition for the next projects they have in the pipeline.

Long story short, they guy liked my work, and I almost got it. Of course, almost doesn't matter, and we move onwards. Had this been on v123 I might have been "not likely" or "finalist". Who knows? On voices, I would have no idea if he had not messaged me.

In short, it just doesn't matter.
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