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Frank F Fat, Old, and Sassy

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 4421 Location: Park City, Utah
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Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the quote Ben.
Please do not take things out of context. The quote comes from a mic shootout and compared to the other two mics it was the cleanest sound. I do not know the preamp, the editor, or any other factors involved - only the sound of the microphones chosen for the shootout.
Love the SM7b for certain types of recordings. That said, a VERY high end preamp; which is clean - not pristine, has a high dynamic range, and GAIN(!!!!!!!!!!!!) are big factors in creating the right environment for the Shure SM7B.
The Shure microphone was not designed for VO or broadcast but has gained favor for it's more transparent sound and brightness when worked properly. The company now touts this as a VO/podcast/broadcast microphone in order to boost sales.
Also the SM7B is most effective in the freq. range of 200 Hz to about 12kHz. The rollup begins at 50 Hz and reaches it's peak about 200 Hz. The rolloff begins about 12kHz.
Remember the SM7B is an dynamic microphone. Use it similarly to an EV-RE20 for best practice.
Frank F _________________ Be thankful for the bad things in life. They opened your eyes to the good things you weren't paying attention to before. email: thevoice@usa.com
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Benjamin Stovall Been Here Awhile

Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 250 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Sure thing Frank.
The quote mentioned the SM7B had "the best self noise level of the three mics" so I thought it would be clear that it was a specific comparison, but you know what they say about assumption... I'll be more precise if I quote you going forward.
Thank you for weighing in! _________________ Ben Stovall Voiceover
http://www.benstovall.com
"When you're nearing the end of your rope, tie a knot. Keep on hanging. Keep on remembering, that there ain't nobody bad like you." -- The Electrifying Mojo |
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captain54 Lucky 700
Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 744 Location: chicago
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Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Bob Stevens wrote: | Hey
That being said, I have recorded with mine at say 50db ( when I didn't have a 60+db pre) at a -18 to -12 and with normalizing and some noise removal I could produce decent results. The mic just really shines with more gain. |
Thanks Bob. Very helpful _________________ Lee Kanne
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captain54 Lucky 700
Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 744 Location: chicago
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Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Frank F wrote: |
Love the SM7b for certain types of recordings.
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And what might those types be, Frank, pray tell? _________________ Lee Kanne
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Frank F Fat, Old, and Sassy

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 4421 Location: Park City, Utah
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Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Lee writes: "And what might those types be, Frank, pray tell?" |
LOUD VO people, radio pro-nouncers, TV news talking heads and loud boisterous reporters, and "live" events for the announcer types.
At one time long, long, long ago; during my radio days (after Morse code) I used an SM7B on the air until the station bought a Sennheiser. Later the radio station allowed me the privilege of bringing my own mic into the studio. It must have worked as I enjoyed top ratings in a very large market for the duration of my stay.
FF _________________ Be thankful for the bad things in life. They opened your eyes to the good things you weren't paying attention to before. email: thevoice@usa.com |
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Bob Stevens Contributore Level V

Joined: 27 Dec 2012 Posts: 151 Location: Orange County, California
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Lee,
Here is a comparison of an SM7b and a U87ai. Granted the outboard gear is top shelf but that Red-8 pre only puts out 60db.
https://soundcloud.com/audio-superfreak/sm7b_then_u87ai
+1 Frank. Quiet gain, headroom and bandwidth.
It is a hoot to read all the comments below that A/B comparison. Talk about ruffled feathers!
Bob _________________ "Dialog is the painting on a canvas of silence" |
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captain54 Lucky 700
Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 744 Location: chicago
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Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Update: After messing with the Sm7b. Yeah, I like it on me. Absolutely does not cut it with the Mbox3. Can't handle any variation in dynamics. If you stay at one consistent louder level it can work, but the second your volume drops you get wildly variated levels. I noticed no pops and reduced mouth noises as opposed to the condenser.
I would like to make this mic work. It's easy on the ears. It sounds less wooly and muffled than the RE 20 I had a couple of years back.
Just for giggles I might try it with a MicPort and an iTrack Solo.
Either way. FEThead ordered. Zen Audio. $99 shipped _________________ Lee Kanne
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whalewtchr Cinquecento

Joined: 18 Feb 2010 Posts: 582 Location: Savannah, GA
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Have an SM7B, you need a beefy preamp that can go 70 if needed, I had it max'd out on a 528e and it was decent but you could tell it was a gain hog and wanted more, it loves my Great River. Used it for an audiobook (w/o foam) on the 528e but as Rob already pointed out mic placement is critical from session to session or you'll be all over the road, especially pick-ups. I use it for radio spots. This mic IMHO was designed for the screamer, loud DJ's, hard sell car spots and Rock vocals on a live stage. Screaming Top 40 stations back in the day always had SM7B's but over time the RE20 replaced it in most studios. I personally prefer the SM7B to the RE20. _________________ jonahcummings |
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captain54 Lucky 700
Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 744 Location: chicago
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:18 am Post subject: |
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I'd be curious to know if anyone has been able to make the Shure SM7b their go-to as possibly an alternative to the Senn 416 for a deeper male baritone in promo type stuff, or as an alternative to a tlm 103 for short form narration.. this mic seems very versatile to me... the foam windscreen off gives it an entirely differnet flavor....
I have to say I'm enjoying the decreased sensitivity to the mouth clickies.. _________________ Lee Kanne
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chuckweis Contributor IV
Joined: 27 Feb 2008 Posts: 136
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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captain54 wrote: | I'd be curious to know if anyone has been able to make the Shure SM7b their go-to as possibly an alternative to the Senn 416 for a deeper male baritone in promo type stuff, or as an alternative to a tlm 103 for short form narration.. this mic seems very versatile to me... the foam windscreen off gives it an entirely differnet flavor....
I have to say I'm enjoying the decreased sensitivity to the mouth clickies.. |
I'll tell ya, that mic never ceases to amaze me. I don't use it full time at home for VO, but we use them exclusively at my station, and I have YEARS of exp behind this mic.
Since they are our only mics, they have to be used on everything from the louder DJ'ish stuff to the softer-sell reads, and the mic IS a chameleon. I've recorded kids, females, deep voiced males and everything in between, and it always sounds good. You are spot-on about its versatility.
Having said that, it wouldn't be my first choice for the intimate kind of reads, but I could see it being capable of being a full time tool. As said before, CLEAN amounts of high gain are needed. People really rave about the Cloudlifter with it for home studio use, to not only add needed gain, but to also kinda open up the sound even more. |
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captain54 Lucky 700
Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 744 Location: chicago
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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chuckweis wrote: |
Having said that, it wouldn't be my first choice for the intimate kind of reads, but I could see it being capable of being a full time tool. |
well the FetHed came today and after taking for a test drive, I have to say...adding +20db of amplication to the +55 of the Mbox3 makes this mic sing.
working it about 6 inches away and dead on produces no excesses in pops an clicks for me..much less sensitive to mouth clickies which is a joy... using a metal windscreen and foam filter off..
as Chuck pointed out.. there are better choices for up close personal and intimate...but with the FetHed, man it rocks... _________________ Lee Kanne
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