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FinMac
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 Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:18 am Post subject: A new one on me |
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Like a lot of people I like the new feedback (seeing stars) system on v123.
But here is a new one for me. Recently did an audition and was informed that I was ranked 1st out of 7 that got feedback (6 others getting the same).
The wierd part was that the audition was ranked with 1 star! (which used to mean, "Get lost!") Does this mean we all stank, but I was one of the better stinkers or what?
Anyone else get this kind of confusing feedback?
Mac
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Foog
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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I've received a different kind of confusing feedback.
I've only signed up recently, have only sent in a handful of auditions so far, and have received no feedback whatsoever from anyone yet. However, that did not stop the system from giving me a ranking based on my (nonexistent) feedback - that ranking being, of course, a score of zero.
It gets weirder. According to the "my stats" page, a full 11% of users have a lower score than I do. How the heck does someone get a score LOWER than zero?
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Yonie
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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If you all got the same ranking:
You were ranked 1st out of 7
He was ranked 1st out of 7
She was ranked 1st out of 7
They were ranked 1st out of 7
It was ranked 1st out of 7
We were ranked 1st out of 7
I was ranked 1st out of 7
Everyone carried the same odor. |
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Ed Fisher
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:01 am Post subject: |
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How about getting 4 stars out of a group of 22 who responded.
In fact...being the ONLY one who was even received a rating.
Sounds like you got the gig right?
Wrong.
It was a Halloween spot and that Holiday came and went...without a word from the client.
In fact V123 has NO IDEA or interest whether the spots that are advertised on their site are ever done or completed. It's the Wild West there.
Every man for himself.
When you let automation work it's "magic"....all kinds of weird things can happen. About all you can do is ...keep on keepin' on.
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Foog
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| Clutter Ash wrote: | How about getting 4 stars out of a group of 22 who responded.
In fact...being the ONLY one who was even received a rating.
Sounds like you got the gig right?
Wrong. |
I hear that type of thing is pretty common. I'm betting what happens is that the client rates/ranks voices as they go along so they can keep tabs on what is best "so far". As they go along, they might find what they think is the perfect fit for the gig a few auditions later. At that point they just contact the "perfect" one. End result is that an "unrated" voice gets the gig, and the top ranked one gets bupkis. The client is not interested in being thorough or accurate with their ratings, and they view the rating system strictly as an internal tool to track the auditions they are evaluating. Their sole interest in using it is to get a voice for a gig. Soon as that's done, they're done!
| Clutter Ash wrote: | In fact V123 has NO IDEA or interest whether the spots that are advertised on their site are ever done or completed. It's the Wild West there.
Every man for himself. |
That is one of the things driving me nuts on V123! In fact, I find myself preferring voices.com for that very reason. Granted, they have that egregious escrow system, but at least you get to know when the clients have made a choice and when a gig is finished. There's also the unlimited cattle call auditions of voices.com: even more Wild West craziness, sure, but in this case I prefer it. I hate being cut out of the loop by V123's idiot algorithm that sends my fat middle-aged white Canadian self the audition invite for a young, African American voice with a New York accent while NOT sending me the generic announcer gig I actually have a shot at.
Mind you, it's early days for me on both services. I've yet to land a gig on V123 and will probably just love it to bits should I get a decent repeat client through them.
cheers,
Andrew
edited to add: and within seconds of submitting this post, I get an automated invite from V123 for a "folksy, small-town Virginia voice" that conveys a sense of culture and place. Law of averages says that one day, sooner or later, they are bound to send me something that actually fits my profile. ...right? |
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Lee Gordon
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| Foog wrote: | | within seconds of submitting this post, I get an automated invite from V123 for a "folksy, small-town Virginia voice" that conveys a sense of culture and place. Law of averages says that one day, sooner or later, they are bound to send me something that actually fits my profile. ...right? |
I got that one, too, and even complied with their request to record the entire piece -- something I rarely do. I am confident that my demo was good enough to earn me the job. However, I am psychologically prepared, as I suggest you be, to learn, several days or weeks hence, that despite my kick-ass audition, the job will have gone to Scott Pollak. 
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Foog
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Lee Gordon wrote: | | I got that one, too |
Did you get the invite recently as well, or were you part of an earlier round? 'Cause if you got it just now - holy cats! THAT was a fast full audition! Had I felt genuinely eligible to submit, I'd probably at this moment still be second guessing myself over whether I should do some editing, do another take, or just send what I got.
cheers,
Andrew
edited to add: I almost threw in some questions about how intensely people who use V123 and other P2P sites edit their auditions. Think I'll save it for another thread. I am an endless font of questions, I am! But I don't want to fire them all off at once. I'd best dole them out slowly like candy ...except instead of sweet, sweet candy, I'll be giving out irksome questions. (peppered with unfounded opinionifying, just for the sake of variety) |
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Ed Fisher
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:20 am Post subject: |
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How about the one where you are preparing a kick ass demo that you couldn't be happier with....only to find that when you press the "submit" button....it's already closed out.
That's always a lot of laughs.
But....to V123's credit....they have built in a deal where you can go ahead and make your submission and still have an hour to complete it. That way, if the submission is "closed" you still get your demo delivered.
But, remembering to use that feature is the....challenge.
PS. I received the "folksy, small-town Virginia voice" one as well. Go figure.
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Scott Pollak
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Lee Gordon wrote: | | Foog wrote: | | within seconds of submitting this post, I get an automated invite from V123 for a "folksy, small-town Virginia voice" that conveys a sense of culture and place. Law of averages says that one day, sooner or later, they are bound to send me something that actually fits my profile. ...right? |
I got that one, too, and even complied with their request to record the entire piece -- something I rarely do. I am confident that my demo was good enough to earn me the job. However, I am psychologically prepared, as I suggest you be, to learn, several days or weeks hence, that despite my kick-ass audition, the job will have gone to Scott Pollak. |
ROFL!!! Thanks, Lee. You made my day.
And yes, I auditioned for that one, today. I only read the entire FIRST paragraph though, not that second one. If they can't decide with a 3:00 audition if it's the right voice, then..... oh well.
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Clients include Pandora, NPR Atlanta, Wells Fargo, Cisco, Humana, Publix, UPS, AT&T, HP, Xerox and more.
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Lee Gordon
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Foog wrote: | | Did you get the invite recently as well, or were you part of an earlier round? 'Cause if you got it just now - holy cats! THAT was a fast full audition! |
The email from Voice123 was time stamped at 10:30 this morning. I probably opened it at 11:45. I took about 8-10 minutes to record it, clicked the "Submit" button to make sure I wouldn't get shut out before I had a chance to finish preparing my audition, took another 5-6 minutes to edit, then made a cup of coffee and listened to the whole thing to be sure it was OK, and sent it on its way at 12:15.
This suggests the one bit of advice I'd give anybody who is considering going with the P2Ps: you have to be available to do the auditions as soon as possible after you receive them and you have to be able to work relatively quickly. This is vital with Voices.com (and Bodalgo) and only slightly less so with Voice123. If you get a notice of a $250 job on Voice123 that is accepting 100 auditions and only 14 have replied, you can probably leave it for later -- even overnight. But this job paid $800 and sought only 40 auditions, 17 of which had already been turned in, so I knew I had to jump right on it. (By the way, they have now gotten their 40 and are no longer accepting any more.)
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Foog
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Lee Gordon wrote: | | This suggests the one bit of advice I'd give anybody who is considering going with the P2Ps: you have to be available to do the auditions as soon as possible after you receive them and you have to be able to work relatively quickly. This is vital with Voices.com (and Bodalgo) and only slightly less so with Voice123. |
Even though I'm new to the whole P2P thing, there's one thing about voices.com I have already figured out: if you do not get a 100% voice match score, you are going to be listed AFTER every audition from people with a 100% match. So "first come first served" takes a backseat to matching your profile, and if you are the second person to submit but only have a 95% match, then the 50 slowpokes who submit later that night or even the next day will stand a better chance of being heard than you will.
(I'm quite curious about Bodalgo and was wonderi... NO! Bad Andrew! Stop Andrew! Save it for later!)
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Lee Gordon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| Foog wrote: | | the 50 slowpokes who submit later that night or even the next day will stand a better chance of being heard than you will. |
That is true, IF the job poster waits to listen to the submitted auditions. You are correct that the 100% matches get floated to the top of the list, followed by the 95%, 90%, 85% matches, etc. But it is still better to get in as early as possible.
I had never bothered to check it before, but this discussion just prompted me to take a look. Of the last ten Voice.com jobs that I've gotten, I had no 100% matches. There were four at 95%, four at 90%, and two at 85%.
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Scott Pollak
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:26 am Post subject: |
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I see our friends who wanted the 'folksy' read have opened all auditions. I got no feedback. Did anyone else? Just curious.
Actually, I usually prefer NO feedback as those seem to be the ones that usually lead to the job!
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Lee Gordon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like they gave no feedback to anyone, which is just the way I like it. The only "feedback" worth anything is when they contact you and say, "You got the job."
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Foog
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Lee Gordon wrote: | | The only "feedback" worth anything is when they contact you and say, "You got the job." |
Ugh! Tell me about it! I have had feedback from 2 potential clients on voices.com recently. One liked my audition but was wondering if I could do the job for less money (grumble grumble) while the other told me I am shortlisted and they will make their decision later this week (nice enough to get a heads up, but now I worry about "losing" a gig I never really had in the first place).
Meanwhile, the only person I really want and need to hear from - the one who hired me for a job - has been quiet ever since I submitted the work.
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Andrew Fogarasi |
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