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Bruce

When I see this in audition copy:

Eddie Eagle · M&M Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2393

I don't kno dude wuz it for a new pot retailer in Washington or Colorad0? Shocked

Bruce · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:18 pm Post subject:

Now that's a unicorn of a different color!

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todd ellis · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:02 pm Post subject:

maybe, for the past 80 years, they have been doing it silently.
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Scott Pollak · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:12 am Post subject:

Hmmmm.... Lee, I'm not sure I agree 100% there (although right up front I will state I may quite well be wrong).

The use of 'me' is correct as the recipient of a verb, no? For example, you wouldn't say "They gave it to I" (although today EVERYONE is using "I" incorrectly where it should be "me"). In Bruce's case, the "me" isn't the subject of the sentence, is it? "It" is the subject of the sentence and "me" is the recipient of the verb. I'm sure that's not the correct term, but I can't recall WHAT the correct term is.

True, Bruce would say "I won't be doing the job", but conversely, isn't he also saying in his sentence "The job won't be done by me"?
To clarify further, expand Bruce's sentence to say "The job won't be done by me." I don't think you'd say "The job won't be done by I".

I tried to find something online to help clarify and this is the closest I found, but it really doesn't help much:

http://www.wikihow.com/Choose-Between-%22I%22-and-%22Me%22-Correctly

Thoughts? Just curious here.
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Bruce · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:00 am Post subject:

I believe to use the word "I", I would have had to use the word "shan't", as in,

"It shan't be I".

But since shant is the past pluperfect plural of the a verb meaning to... evacuate, I decided not to go that route.

(wow, what a thread jack, and it's mostly my fault)

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Lee Gordon · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:13 am Post subject:

The important verb here is "be." It's a "copulative" verb rather than a "transitive" verb (the subject acts upon the object). When copulative verbs (be, is, was, am, are, were, isn't, wasn't, weren't) are used, the subject and object case should agree. It's the same rule you use when you say "Who are they?" rather than "Who are them?"

But I was just making a little joke because what Bruce said was perfectly acceptable, even if it doesn't conform 100% with the strictest rules of grammar, because its usage has become so common as to practically eclipse the original form.
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Scott Pollak · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:33 am Post subject:

Oh I completely get the joke, Lee, but being the anal person I am, I'm enjoying the derailment of the thread into this discussion on grammar.

If the operative verb is 'be', then what happens if you switch it around?

For example, to my ears, it sounds just weird if you say, "The person doing the job won't be I." Wouldn't it be: "... won't be me"?

I dunno. I know in the end, as you said, it's really a non-issue and the way Bruce wrote it is perfectly acceptable. I'm really just curious as to which one IS, in fact, grammatically correct and honestly, I don't know!
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Bish · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:48 am Post subject:

I am amused. A bunch of Americans discussing the mechanics and rules of English grammar. Nuns discussing sex.

I'm available for consultation.

Please don't hit me... I'm only joking! Honest!

Seriously though... scripts can be written with perfect grammar or in the vernacular, it all depends on the target audience. However, what is depressing is the increasing number of people (supposedly working in communications) who can do neither.
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Jen Gosnell · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:06 pm Post subject:

Lee, I didn't know that rule about copulative verbs. (Talk about sentences you never imagined yourself typing!) Wink

I'm not sure we ever learned that one in school! I'm pretty grammar nerdly, and that one seems like something I would have remembered. That's actually pretty cool!

And for the record, I would never hit you, Peter. Well, not very hard, anyway... Wink

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DougVox · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:50 pm Post subject:

I think that the only other time I've heard the word "copulative," was over on the panda husbandry forum, but that's a whole 'nuther topic. Smile

Literally.

And don't get me started on "number" and "amount."
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Philip Banks · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:23 pm Post subject:

On a serious note.

Audition request today contained a 7 page Non disclosure agreement which I read, it was ridiculous. I would have to print it, sign it, get it witnessed, scan it and upload it THEN do the multi copy audition with two voice styles required for each take all to get a job which, were I cast, would pay less than I have earned today BEFORE the agent took their commission.

DELETE.

Bish · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:15 pm Post subject:

erm... I think I just responded to that one Smile

... but I think we have different financial yardsticks at the moment Cry

Oh... and I didn't find the NDA ridiculous... because I didn't actually read it, and I just signed it electronically Embarrassed

(that'll probably come back and bite me in the arse.)
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Lee Gordon · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:04 pm Post subject: