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Know your brand......The Contrarian view
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vkuehn
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe separation require separate websites, and separate e-mail addresses.

The low expense way of doing that might involve having a website... oh... let's say paul.com. But then for your separate efforts you would have narration.paul.com and for radio production radio.paul.com and for naughty book narrations you could have bawdy.paul.com.

This way you don't pay for multiple urls... just paul.com. Now there will be some crafty souls who look at your multipurpose site and even though you don't have links on the various pages to the other page, ol' crafty will figure out what you have done so don't set up something that would be embarrassing when someone realizes all the connections.

But maybe the bigger discussion at this point is: How critical is web presence to one's V-O marketing? It gives us a warm fuzzy feeling to share our website address with our friends and they feed our ego by ooooohing and aaaaahing over it.... but what other parts of marketing might we be overlooking while we fixate on our slick website? Maybe some of our peeps here can share how they rank web presence in the whole big picture.
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Eddie Eagle
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vkuehn wrote:
Maybe separation require separate websites, and separate e-mail addresses.

The low expense way of doing that might involve having a website... oh... let's say paul.com. But then for your separate efforts you would have narration.paul.com and for radio production radio.paul.com and for naughty book narrations you could have bawdy.paul.com.

This way you don't pay for multiple urls... just paul.com.



I had something similar to that idea some years ago and created a portal with links to dedicated sites. www.tvradiovoice.com/VO1STOPcom.jpg
You could click on one of the vending machines to take you to a particular website.

This might have been too forward thinking. Wink
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Bob Bergen
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A website today is what a reel to reel demo was in the 80s. It is your essential calling card to market your vo career. I hear through the grapevine that in some smaller markets agents still ask for a CD. But I haven't burnt or sent out a CD in almost 15 years.

And yes, each genre can be reflected on it's own page from the same site. If the buyer has the time to surf further to see what else you do:

1) Great! Who knows where they will end of one day and may need those skills from you! OR may know someone in other genres of vo and can recommend you!
2) If they have the time to surf, perhaps they aren't the busiest of buyers??

But the bottom line is, you want your marketing to be specific and strategic. One size fits all marketing is too homogenized for any industry or business. This is what most vo actors do, and it's why it's not working for most vo actors. You want to be ahead of the herd, not amongst them. With one size fits all marketing, buyers may see/hear versatility, but often they then have no idea where you fit into their world. Market to just their world which is also more user friendly. The fewer clicks for the buyer the better. It will not go well if they have to go hunting to find the genre of vo they need. Time is money!

And as far as the expense goes, holy cow, is it cheaper today than it was in the late 70s!!! From the reel to reel demos, to the crack and peel labels, the padded envelopes, postage, etc., I spent about 10 grand a year marketing. No one needs to spend 10 grand on a website. And the tangible marketing is free once you have the tools for which to market. The only cost is time and even that is so much shorter than before.
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DougVox
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dayo wrote:

Ain't much value in flexibility these days. The generalist is struggling and our propensity as humans to pigeonhole and categorise is not going to diminish. We live in an age of specificity.


I understand what you're saying, Colin...I both agree and disagree. Also, you've helped me see that my response was much too generalized...thanks!

Unfortunately, with so many variables involved in a conversation like this, there will always be exceptions to the rule. (Not to mention the fact that hard and fast rules are pretty pointless here, too.)

Whether one would benefit from branding that's specific as opposed to branding that's more general depends upon a ton of factors. In certain niches of VO – such as animation – flexibility and range are highly desirable. But even in animation, there are exceptions. Think about guys like Gilbert Gottfried and Eddie Deezen. They're not known for having a wide range, but they still manage to get LOTS of VO work in animation. Then there are guys like the über-talented Bob Bergen...there's a whole casting catch in that larynx. (Wait...that didn't sound right, but you know what I mean.)

Crazy-good talent seems to be the number one requirement. And for people like Bob and many others, who are insanely talented, and who get most of their work through their agents, branding may not be as vital to their existence. (Though I think there's a pretty strong case to be made for it.)

E-learning's another area where a wide range of styles and deliveries can sometimes (but not always) make you a very valuable commodity.

And there are plenty of ways for good branding not to pigeonhole you...it can be:

Personality based:

- Fun, quirky, professional, serious, real-person, gruff, sarcastic...could be anything. Best case scenario is that it’s an accurate reflection of your personality.

Experience based:

- Maybe you’re a former nurse who specializes in Medical Narration, or a former teacher who focuses on e-learning.

Performance based:

- Maybe you’re best with comedic scripts, or two-person spots, or spots that include some English y un poco de Español.

Service based:

- Your responsiveness might be your strong suit. Your turn-around time, your ability to deliver certain tricky file formats like mu-law, etc.

Niche based:

- You specialize in audiobooks or kids’ toys, or Theme park announcements or explainer videos or museum tours.

In my case, I was lucky enough to come up with a single word that describes what I sound like by describing what I don't sound like. Also, the "UNnouncer" thing can be applied to most any VO niche, so it hasn't really pigeonholed me at all.

Bottom line? Figure out what you do better than anyone else. Then figure out who's most likely to hire you to do that thing. Then craft your branding so that it describes you to a "T" and appeals to those people enough that they want to give you lots of money to do that thing you do so well.
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Bish
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Niche based? How about...

Nietzsche based: I'm a value-creating Ubermensch.

(Yes! It's a nihilistic philosophy joke - but not entirely without relevance!)
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DougVox
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bish wrote:
Niche based? How about...

Nietzsche based: I'm a value-creating Ubermensch.


oh god, that's hilarious..
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Lee Gordon
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bish wrote:

Nietzsche based:


Brands are dead? Gasp
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Inoccent
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