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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

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bobsouer Frequent Flyer

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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Windows on a Mac |
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Deirdre,
I've been using their Linux product quite successfully for over a year. The key benefit is that you don't have to reboot to use your Windows applications. The downside is that only some applications are fully supported, and many are not supported at all. _________________ Be well,
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billelder Guest
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:59 am Post subject: |
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I was under the impression that Windows would run on the new Macs? Are there issues with programs? These days I'd be hard pressed not to get a Mac if i were buying new.
I did a Google on how many people are still using 98SE in 2006 and here's what I found.
Windows 98: 3.9%
Windows ME: 1.7%
NT: 0.8 %
95: 0.09 %
My issue with XP has always been the software having to phone home when you make wholesale changes in hardware. I build my own and I'm always swapping out. I hear Vista is being shipped but won't be available to the general public until January. New computers sold now will come with a certificate for Vista, according to Leo Laporte's podcast "TWIT" (This Week In Tech).
Another interesting piece of information (also from the above source) is that the mac guy/windows guy ads are over. It seems that more people were feeling sorry for the windows guy and identified with him over the mac guy. LOL |
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bobsouer Frequent Flyer

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:36 am Post subject: |
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billelder wrote: | I was under the impression that Windows would run on the new Macs? |
Bill,
Yes, you can install Windows on the new Intel Macs, if you get and use one of the bootloaders designed for that purpose. But, to do that you have to have your own copy of Windows to install.
Codeweavers Crossover is software that provides the Windows API to the Mac (or Linux) OS. In other words, no separate installation of Windows is needed and no re-booting to run Windows applications. They just run under the Mac OS. (Or again, Linux, which is what I've been using it for.)
To be clear, the Mac and Linux versions are separate applications, but the purpose and functionality is very similar: to run Windows applications in Mac or Linux OS directly. _________________ Be well,
Bob Souer (just think of lemons)
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Bill Guest
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:28 am Post subject: |
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billelder wrote: | Another interesting piece of information (also from the above source) is that the mac guy/windows guy ads are over. It seems that more people were feeling sorry for the windows guy and identified with him over the mac guy. LOL |
thankfully, I hated those commercials.
bill is that on the lastet TWIT? for 11/20 or an earlier cast? I love Leo, but wish those casts where shorter, nearly and hour and a half! I tried listening to TWIL (this week in law) because they were dealing with copyright (sorry for the thread hijack) but one of the guests(?) was a heavy breather and shuffling papers and typing during the recording... I hung on for the info I wanted but then bailed.
sorry for the hijack, but to go back OT... bear skins and stone knives are starting to look good ( and yeah I'm one of the win98 users, the family PC still runs it, mine is X |
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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More ore less in 'tune' with this topic... a quick cautionary tale...
A friend of mine works for Microsoft in The Netherlands... he advised me NOT to switch to Vista for another year or so. Seems Vista can only be installed on your pc (or Mac) ONCE. When your harddrive crashes or you want to just re-install your Vista OS, your unlockcode will be void (is that the right word for invalid?) and you have to buy your OWN licence (the one you already paid for) AGAIN...
According to my friend it only differs from XP in a graphical sort of way, and there will be some 9 different versions from pretty expensive 'til very mega big bucks. If you want the whole package, your investment might just exceed a thousand dollars/euros... and all you buy is the obligation to update (= BUY) all Microsoft Office applications and soforth. Let's shake all entrepeneurs' wallets once again. Installing Vista will make lots of widely used programs totally obsolete. The European Union fined Microsoft over half a billion dollars for not sharing their source code to developing partners and manufacturers of competative software applications. Another fine exceeding 100 mill followed that one since they still don't comply to what the judges of the European Supreme Court ruled two years ago. Microsoft think they are above the law.
After that huge fine Microsoft changed a lot in the (then) unreleased Vista OS to totally rule out any third party software. Use RealPlayer and the thing crashes every so many times. Same goes for Quicktime. This is MS company policy and intentional! Furthermore Microsoft allegedly included over 800.000 pages of faulty source code to keep competators from finding out what they (MS) are really up to. These pages of bad code only cause problems in... (yes) competitor software...
It ain't over yet, but I like to warn my friendly fellow VO-BB'ers to be a bit careful in that respect. Don't upgrade because people say you're supposed to. If you run XP now, it will still be supported for the next 5 years at least. |
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billelder Guest
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Bill,
Yes, it's Episode 76, November 13, 2006. I agree that it's an hour. I listed while doing mindless yard work and I get lots more done.
I love Devorak and they're usually really informative. I did learn this. My old equipment is going to be way behind the norm in about 6 months. LOL
Can't wait to mulch the leaves this weekend so I can hear #77.
Thanks for the advice. I've yet to upgrade to XP because 98SE sorks great and I have a copy of 2000 I haevn't tried yet. LOL |
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COURVO Even Taller Than He Seems On TV

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Ancillary observation.... 'still haven't sold my MacBook Pro...and the longer I hang onto it, the harder it's going to be to sell....although I DO have it up on Ebay. We'll see.
But...Parallels software is a very very slick piece of work. I run Windows or OS X at the touch of a key combination...full screen, and sometimes I forget I'm using an Apple machine when I'm in windows. I see no degradation of processing power...but, yes, you DO have to purchase a unique copy of Windows. I use XP Pro SP2, which is robust and stable.
BTW, I've had plenty of the same kind of glitches with my MacBook Pro that I've had with Microsoft products through the years. Crashes, ceasing-up, failures at install. 'Took me at least an hour to get locked-in to my Wi-Fi at home.
In short...what's all Apple the fuss about? Macs are computers...not indisputable fodder for Apple-snootiness.
I'll admit the jury's still out...'cause I haven't purchased any big-time software products for Apple yet...but so far...nice computer, nice operating system, but not clearly better than Intel/Microsoft/PC.
my 2-cents... Still scarred from all those years of THINKING I was missing something big by using MS .
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Were you getting the crashes and failures before you installed Windows on the machine?
Just curious. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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COURVO Even Taller Than He Seems On TV

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. None since. I'll chalk-up some snafu's to my inexperience. But -- as I'm rebooting OS X -- I'm thinking "I thought this was an MS thing!"
...and I find I reeeeeeely miss the ability to right-click on the mouse.
'Hard to break old habits. I've probably learned how to do "difficult"... now it's troublesome to do "intuitive". I find myself migrating more and more to the Mac.
Courvo _________________ Dave Courvoisier - Las Vegas, NV
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:21 am Post subject: |
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I use a 3-button mouse. I love my right-click. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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billelder Guest
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:34 am Post subject: |
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I had my Mac crash at work all the time. I think it was OS8 then. I agree, Deirdre. I swore I'd never get a Mac because of the one button mouse. But now that's (thankfully) changed.
A friend tells me that the Mac system gives a warning when installing Windows not to surf or get your e-mail using Windows XP. Has anyone seen this?
My next question. Does anyone ever think we'll see a day of Apple/Mac releasing its operating system for people to load on their own machines? |
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: |
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When I was in Las Vegas, we used all Mac systems at work. And I had a PC at home. They all ran the same version of Pro Tools. They were identical, key-stroke-for-keystroke. Couldn't tell the difference. They both worked great and they both crashed about as often. Haven't had a chance to do a hands-on test of the new Intel Macs but what I've seen looks really impressive. And those cinema monitors! Where's my Christmas wish list??? |
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: |
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I had some bad-ass crashes and lock-ups with a bad system update about a year an a half ago, but one I got clear of those bugs, I have been rock solid on my Powerbook with no downtime at all.
Zero.
Running Pro Tools nearly every day as well as other high-processor-use apps and also managing the home network. No hardware issues, no software issues and this little 'Book goes everywhere with me. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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COURVO Even Taller Than He Seems On TV

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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Bill & DB...
Just a regular USB mouse? How do you guys do this?
I've got the M-powered version of Pro-Tools 7.1...so the software WILL NOT WORK unless I have the M-Powered Firewire Solo plugged in.
Courvo _________________ Dave Courvoisier - Las Vegas, NV
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